Could peak Floyd Mayweather have beat all Sugar Ray Leonard challengers

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  1. Mark Dunham

    Mark Dunham Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Marvin was shot AND he beat Ray because the video freeze frame I pulled from youtube proves he outpointed him

    Marvin was actually well ahead on points but I only had him up by three points

    and of course, prime Marvin would have also defeated Ray but without a problem and by tko or KO

    Ray Leonard was a separate issue since his career was not stretched out like other greats having more bouts and far greater records

    with such little wear and tear, he really had no excuse losing to Norris other than Terry Norris was simply too fast for him

    as suspected, the rumors proved to be true; Leonard could not deal with speed and movement.

    Terry Norris proved to be Leonard's kryptonite
     
  2. Mark Dunham

    Mark Dunham Well-Known Member Full Member

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    not alleged but proven fact, a reality you cant bring yourself to accept

    and since the session was within Leonard's pro career, he actually suffered two knockouts
     
  3. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If it's verified please provide the readers of this thread the scorecard and the name of the referee who counted him out. In the absence of such evidence it is fair for readers of this thread to assume it's meaningless.
     
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  4. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The judges and Compu Box saw it differently . CompuBox had Leonard landing more frequently and with harder punches. Do you want me to post it while they wait for you to post the official scorecard and the name of the referee who counted Ray out in the alleged first stoppage of his career.
     
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  5. Loudon

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    All of this is great, apart from the fact that Terry Norris himself disagrees with you.
     
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  6. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Do you find it odd that Mr. Dunham wants to place an alleged knockdown or knockout that occurred in practice, i.e. sparring on Leonard's official record? Jimmy Ellis knocked down his friend Muhammad Ali twice in their many rounds of sparring. Little good it did him when they fought for real.
     
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  7. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm not a big fan of CompuBox. However if the judges say a boxer won and CompuBox says a boxer landed more often and landed the harder punches it's seems unreasonable to call a loss a robbery.
     
  8. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    He can have it. It just weakens his argument.

    If Leonard was getting knocked out in sparring in the early part of 1987, then how great was he 4 years later, in 1991?
     
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  9. ThatOne

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    Mr. Dunham said his stoppage by Camacho in 1997! which was a decade after his alleged stoppage in sparring is indicative of what a prime Leonard was capable of.
     
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  10. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    He can only be trolling.
     
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  11. Flash24

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    No, Mayweather Jr . couldn't . I'd pick Hagler , Hearns Duran, and Benitez
    to beat him outright if they're prime and motivated.
    Hearns stops him with in 4-5 rds in my opinion.
    Duran at his best stops him with in 10-12 rds.
    Benitez wins a decision in a boring fight. Size advantages.
    Hagler can get complacent and reluctant against
    fighters like May jr. But still his strength advantages, conditioning,
    and much larger size would enable him to step on the gas later
    in the fight, wear the much smaller man down ,win a dec.
    Ayub Kalule could be a tough fight for May Jr, because
    of awkwardness, and being a southpaw.
    Mayweather Jr. should beat him because of his better skills.
    I'll also add Terry Norris to the equation. He beat past
    prime Leonard, I'd pick him to beat May Jr. outright
    But we know Mayweather Jr. wouldn't get in the ring with Norris
    or any of the above fighters in their primes.
     
  12. mr. magoo

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    Could Leonard have beaten Canelo at age 37 ?
     
  13. THE BLADE 2

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    LOL Floyd is this you?
     
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  14. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The same for me prime Duran, Hearns, Hagler, Leonard and Benitez beat Floyd
     
  15. Greg Price99

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    No.

    Could any version of Floyd beat the versions of Hearns and Hagler that SRL beat?

    Same answer imo, though unfair on Floyd on the basis SRL was naturally bigger.

    SRL has the best 3 or 4 wins, Mayweather the deeper resume and better longevity. Where you rank them relative to one another, likely tells us a lot about either which you value most (small number of wins over prime ATGs or higher quantity of wins over world rated fighters), which of the 2 you're biased towards/a fan of or a combination of the 2.
     
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