Could Ray Leonard have achieved greatness above welterweight?

Mullings, Brown, Jackson and Boudani yep holding up great Einstein >>.How about voted on a recent post the worst !!

 

Wow,cookieboy!!No matter how hard you tried,cookieboy,your post here is absolutely one of the worst ever on these boards.Pure ****.Your unjustified pomposity,arrogance and visions of grandeur simply know no bounds.No wonder the little **** and semantics in this world bother you so much.In fact,if what people on these boards write concerning you bothers you so much,here's a recommendationON'T INSULT THEM IN THE 1ST PLACE,*******.And as far as the quoting correctly thing is concerned,you originally wrote that my initial claim was "******ed",amongst other things.I wrote that you called me a ******.That bothers you as you wrote that I was incapable of "quoting correctly".WOW.Simple semantics bother you that much.Cookieboy,you REALLY need a cookie.And "..lowered himself..",upon referring to me,as "..to consistently using a suggestion that I gave him-yeah that bothers me."Can you possibly fathom how ridiculous that statement sounds,oh high exalted cookieboy?

 

Cookieboy,over the course of 6 years,Leonard scouted out the the timing and possibility of a Hagler fight(beginning in 1981,when his then-manager Mike Trainer met with Hagler's then-manager Steve Wainwright to discuss a possibility of such a fight).He teased the media on several occasions about the possibility of such a fight(including the day after the 1st Hearns fight,he addressed the media and said about he and Hagler,"I feel the longer I wait,the older Hagler gets.)He even invited his buddy Barry Tompkins to Miami for a lunch interview a few months after the Duran-Hagler fight and,upon bringing up Hagler,said,"You want to know how to beat Marvin Hagler?I'll tell you how.You've got to fight for 10 or 15 seconds,3 times every round,and the last 15 seconds particularly.That's how you beat Marvin Hagler."And,of course,in 1984,Leonard decided to come back against Kevin Howard in HAGLER'S BACKYARD OF WORCESTER,MASSACHUSETTS with tentative plans for a projected bout worth $10 million to each fighter to be announced the next day.Of course this was temporarily derailed due to Leonard's admitted **** poor performance against Howard.And let's not forget when Leonard invited Hagler(2 months before the Mugabi fight)to his newly opened restaurant in Maryland for the "publicity",when in actuality,he OPENLY AND PUBLICLY ADMITS that he did it to gauge Hagler's mindset at that time.These are just several of the instances where Leonard teased a whole bunch of people concerning a Hagler fight over 6 years,as there are more.So cookieboy,if you want to deny what Leonard did,good for you.Denial's a powerful thing.Go have a cookie.

 

Hi,cookieboy.Just where did I back off from my original claim?Where?Where did I do that?Just where did I write that?As usual,you're writing an untruth.But as far as Hagler and Spinks are concerned,you can write whatever you want.But here's one undeniable truth:Hagler never proposed moving up to lightheavy.He didn't do it before the Spinks challenge,during or after.So,continue to write whatever you want if it makes you feel good.But don't forget to have your cookie,too.

 

Hey cookster.WOW,love that expression "boxrec ranger".You come up with that one on your own?Is that your own creation?Wow,is that one of your examples of "great wit" that you mentioned.Well,I don't even know the fellow that Mugabi fought after Hagler.I'm not sure of the round of the stoppage or where the fight took place.But I do know that it was for one of the alphabet 154 straps and that the fight was stopped early within the 1st few rounds.Evidently,the fight was stopped when Mugabi's opponent landed a left hook,and 1 or 2(or both)of the following happened:Mugabi was thumbed in the eye,or the punch broke Mugabi's orbital bone.Anyway,I'm just not sure.But I do know that Mugabi never had a real world class victory afterwards,and was blasted out a couple of years later by Terry Norris.But,I'm a "boxrec ranger" as I OBVIOUSLY boxrec'ed Mugabi after debating with you(not!).So whatever problem you have with "ko",or "stoppage",or whatever expression that may bother you concerning this one,go boxrec yourself.I simply can't believe that you wrote that crap that any genius can see I'm a boxrec ranger.You're so insightful,cookieboy.And MY credibility is gone,hahaha.

 

Cookieboy,about the actual Hagler-Mugabi fight:Mugabi was in the fight until the end.The fight was a war of attrition.Hagler won it against a much more stationary target due to his superior TECHNICAL skills,granite chin,spartan condition and will,because his natural skills were shot at that point.I never saw Hagler look slower-hand,foot,reflexes and balance.If you are going to deny that Mugabi was landing some very nasty shots,making hagler miss,and was in the fight until the 11th,go right ahead.If you are going to continue to write things like,"He beat the ever-loving **** of Mugabi and knocked him out to cap off a DOMINATING(my emphasis) performance against the top contender in the division at that time." or,"Mugabi had his moments inside of the 1st 4 rounds and was then dominated and beaten to a pulp through the remainder of the fight..,"go right ahead.But in reality,the scoring was pretty close.Even the English commentator that did the fight the last time I watched the fight had it EVEN after the 9th round.Tommy Hearns,who was also doing the fight,had it close.too.But according to you,it was a dominating performance.No,it wasn't.It was a devastating knockout,yes,but a war of attrition. Have a cookie.

 

Cookieboy,as far as your "...calculated effort into displaying such great wit..,"you've failed miserably.And the wit,to which you refer regularly,is nonexistent in your contris.And as far as why you call Hagler what you do,I couldn't care less because your opinions and (lack of)insights are pure ****.But,you still have your cookies.

 

Clearly someone is incapable of reading blatant sarcasm.Mind you,I've come to expect very little in the way of intelligence from this very topic.It's really not that difficult to quote somebody correctly - and not only are you incapable of doing that,but you've also just gone and made several other separate posts to a single post that I made.Evidently,I was quite justified in referring to you as a "******".

In 1981,when Leonard was still an active fighter.If such negotiations and tactics were being used while Leonard was retired,you would have an argument.But,as it turns out,they weren't.Leonard wasn't talking up or teasing anybody over a fight with Hagler through his retirement.

Faulty memory,boy? Or are you simply too much of a lazy swine to go back a few pages and read from your own posts? You made the point of claiming that Hagler only "demonstrated a desire to be recognized as one of the greatest middleweights ever and to break the then record of middleweight title defenses held by Monzon".After I responded to this,you backed away from it and never even mentioned it in your second post.

No,it's a term that's been around the boxing message boards for years.It's used to describe a certain idiot that relies upon boxrec as a source for certain fights and fighters.A typical boxrec ranger would look at the result of a fight on boxrec and makes reference to that fight in whatever discussion he's participating in,without even knowing the details of that particular fight.In this case,a boxrec ranger is a perfect description of yourself,as you were clearly ignorant of the circumstances that resulted in the stoppage of Mugabi against Thomas.

I'm not sure whether you're just incredibly stupid with a reading comprehension problems,or just pig-ignorant that purposely blanks out what he doesn't want to read.Not only did you accuse me of denying that Mugabi landed some big shots,but even when I responded to that claim,corrected you and acknowledged Mugabi landed some huge punches,you still continue to make out as if I'm still denying that he did.You truly are a sad,pitiful and delusional old ****.


I said Hagler dominated him because that's what he did,for the most part.I never claimed that he was dominant throughout the entire fight,but he certainly was down the stretch.And,yes,he did beat the **** out of Mugabi - even if you think Hagler didn't look impressive,it's undeniable that he did give Mugabi a severe beating.

How can I fail at something that I've not even attempted? Were you born this stupid,or did your parents make the effort of beating you regularly as a child?


LOL @ the repeated usage of "cookieboy" when addressing me.Step your game up,old man.

 

Ye cast pearl's amoungst swine guv'ner:deal

But thank **** you are here to expose these box-rec u-tube fanboys. I'am convinced it's down to the fact that they are desperate not to appear as ignorant as they actually are. I can't for the life of me fathom how some of these mugs on here can spew out all knowing "Know **** all" shite about Leonard & Hagler or especially Leonard juxtapose that with the fact than most of the dicks don't even know leonard style in how he actually fought

They were'nt around at the time to be privy to all the ink & day to day news & info as we were & when you try to give them a bit of education about what actually was going down at the time then they get all "Squawky" desperate not to appear as ignorant to the actual facts as they truely are & only compound said ignorence by refuting what actually happened so as to balance that with what **** all actual knowlage of the events they actually have.....they wer'nt around then so they know **** all except what they've read by way of Angelo Dundee & other with a vested interest in the SRL brand + other ignorant pro-SRL propagandists who's knowlage of the times yer could write on the back of a postage stamp

 

I know,Duranimal.Denial is a powerful thing.But facts are facts.

 

Cookieboy,actually,you wrote that my "claim" was "******ed".You can't even quote yourself right.But I'm so glad you're back because you just keep destroying your own(practically non-existent) credibility.As far as your blatant sarcasm quote,is that just a way to get off the hook for your incredibly bad posts,because you're about as good at "blatant sarcasm" as you are "great wit"What a pompous ass you are.Ignorant,but a pompous ass nevertheless.

 

Now,cookieboy,you want to deny the fact that Leonard spent 6 years teasing the boxing public about a proposed Hagler fight,go right ahead. Because all that proves is that documented statements,actual events and quotes mean nothing to you except for your own pipe dreams and denial of reality.Which,quite honestly,is pretty cool because all it does is demonstrate your ignorance.

 

Cookieboy,I'm surprised you even mentioned the "only" quote,because A.I NEVER backed away from it(****ing idiot)and B.You only referenced HALF the quote in your previous contri,and considering how many times you mention "quoting correctly",you're obviously kicking the **** out of your own credibility,especially since you can't even quote YOURSELF correctly.

 

Cookieboy,I just love the boxrec part because there is absolutely NO evidence of my boxrec'ing ANYTHING.But why should facts get in the way when cookieboy is making his point?I mean,cookieboy is all about cookieboy making his point and proving how right he is despite evidence to the contrary.I didn't even know the name of Mugabi's opponent.But,cookieboy,did I not approach the correct circumstances?Wasn't the fight stopped due to(as I wrote before) Mugabi either A.having his orbital bone broken by a left hook,or B.receiving a thumb in the eye from said left hook?If I'm wrong,could someone out there correct me?Because,unlike cookieboy(HAHAHA),I've been wrong before and I'll be wrong again.Either way,cookieboy,your powers of perception are about as good as your attempts at "great wit"or"blatant sarcasm".In other words,"pure ****".

 

Cookieboy,demonstrated by your comments about the Hagler-Mugabi fight,you have no idea what the **** you're talking about.That fight was a war of attrition which Mugabi was in until the 11th.He gave Hagler all he could handle.You want to say different,all you're doing is demonstrating your ignorance yet again.But please do so again in your next contribution as I'm having a massive laugh at your stupidity