Could Ray Leonard have achieved greatness above welterweight?

A lack of creativity and effort put into mocking my username is what bothers me.Also a moron that is incapable of quoting correctly and who has now lowered himself to consistently using a suggestion that I originally gave him - yeah,that bothers me.

Beyond his initial retirement at the charity benefit,the media speculation surrounding his initial comeback,and then the official challenge he gave through a local news station in 86,he was relatively quiet about his in-ring career.Most likely too busy sniffing coke in nightclub restrooms.

I see that you've now stepped away from your original claim of Marvis only ever wanting to break the title defense record.Did you go back and read over that post and see how deluded you were? Spinks was never on his radar because Hagler didn't want to fight him.A reluctance to step out of his comfort zone and earn major money against somebody that wasn't moving up in weight.

Wipe the **** away from your eyes and go back and read what you originally posted.You never said stopped,you said that Mugabi was "ko'd" by the next opponent that he fought after Hagler.It doesn't take a genius to realize that you've taken one look over at boxrec,saw the official result and took it as that - without even knowing the circumstances ehind the actual stoppage.You are what is known as a "boxrec ranger".


Besides showing you to be an idiot,this does nothing for my argument,believe me.You're already doing a fine job ripping apart your own credibility here.

And you should have absolutely no problem looking back to my post and pointing out where I claimed Hagler wasn't hit by "many hard shots".I mean,I denied it,right? ******.:nut


I've seen the fight enough times that I don't need to rely upon the claims of anybody else.Leonard's actual analysis of the fight(Mugabi apparently outboxing Hagler) doesn't reflect how the fight actually took place.Hagler looked as sharp and as decisive as anybody coming off of a year long layoff.


Your gross exaggerations and claim that this was a performance of "shot" fighter are as absurd and ******ed as you are.A shot fighter is incapable of such a performance against such a live and dangerous threat.Mugabi had more than just heavy hands.




And once you learn how to structure a coherent and readable post,I promise that I won't make one single spelling error in any future post that I make.:deal

Because I've made such a calculated effort into displaying such great wit.But perhaps telling someody else to take their cookie and **** off is considered wit in whatever godforsaken part of the world that you reside in.:roll:

No,that would be an assumption on your part.I would explain why I refer to Hagler as such,but you're such an idiot that it would probably go over your head and lead you to ignoring my explanation in future references.

 

Of course he ducked McCallum, and everyone knows that Norris chin would again let him down in this one. Wow, do you have tunnel vision... When your bored, watch what Jackson did to Norris, then watch how McCallum does it to Jackson. Look at the numerous shots that Jackson lands on McCallum, but how he can`t hurt or stop McCallums forward progress. Take note of how Jackosn hits Norris with a couple, and lights out, it`s over. Chicken Norris never wantd any part of the true jr. middle champ the `Bodysnatcher` !

 

I never saw Mike issue a challenge to TN. Mike doesnt have Jackson's power, one of the true KO artists of the decade. To knock TN out you got to have power to lay out the opponent, someone like Jackson or Tony Ayala

Mike is more of a blue collar type, methodical but I watched him at the Garden when he first won his title and he couldnt punch. Terry would have nothing to worry about, it's all in the bag

TN by unan dec

 

I don't think Mike and Terry were at 154 at the same time, not when they were both on top anyway. Mike left 154 near 1987. Terry won a title in 1989 is I am correct.

 

yes in fact this is true

TN first challenged for the title in July 89 but did not win it until the following year. Mike was at middleweight well before this

I think Waynegrade is just venting

 

I knew they were close in time at jr. middle. Thought they may have overlapped...My bad...

 

Rooster, all you do is vent without a shred of boxing knowledge or reality. Ask JJ if McCallum had KO power... In regard to TN being able to take McCallums punch, are you serious ??? Your saying that MUllings, Boudani, Brown and Jackson all hit harder than McCallum ? And remeber Einstein, they ALL stopped TN. Norris never showed that he could come off the deck, or battle back from adversity to win. That is waht makes a great fighter, good chin, heart and a will to win. See Carmen Basilio...

 

Or Mullings,Brown, Jackson and Boudani...

 

See Sean Mannion

 

Your right, he would have stopped Norris too ! We finally agree !

 

Kalambay had no trouble lasting the distance with Mike and beat him the first time

Kalambay dont have TN's speed either

I even think Sugar Ray Leonard had a fair chance of beating Mike becuz Sugar and Kalambay are rough equals at that weight. Mike dont hit as hard as Brown and TN used his speed to dazzle him in the rematch. TN would dazzle mike too

 

Come on Rooster, even you Norris lead fan, have to admit that McCallum was a much bigger hitter than Mullings??? McCallum wasn`t the same fighter at 160 as he was at 154...

 

Say what you want, but Norris would be too quick & too slick

 

And granite chinned as well...

 

not the best perhaps but in superfights it tends to hold up very well. don't ask me why