Could Roberto Duran go fifteen rounds with Carlos Monzon?

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  1. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Could Duran of '83 manage to give Monzon the fight he gave Hagler at 160?...and how would you compare that Duran at middle to Monzon's title competition (Benvenuti, Briscoe, Griffith,Napoles, and Valdez) at 160 lbs?...Could a motivated Duran upset any of them?
     
  2. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    Monzon would steadily come forward and look to break down the physically smaller Duran. He'd not jump on Duran like Hearns did, but look to gradually take him apart. Timing was a very good attribute that Monzon had. He wasn't wreckless and wide open defensively, so Duran countering him effectively aint going to happen too much. Monzon would keep this fight on the outside and step back and to the side to nuffle out Duran's attacks. Does he have the power to stop Duran? Probably not. But a late TKO ain't out of the question. I'd opt for a points decision with more authority and heavy artillery than Hagler showed against Duran.

    Valdez, Briscoe, and Benvenuti were all better than Duran at the weight. Griffith and Naoples on the otherhand weren't.
     
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  3. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Great question. I agree Monzon would steadily impose himself and would be a chance of stopping Duran late, but it'd still be damn hard. Monzon would keep a lot more constant pressure on him than Hagler did and it would be very interesting.
     
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  4. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Against both Hagler and Simms (Hagler's half brother who Duran faced in 86), Duran got tired at the end. This is the price of a small man, regardless of how great, stepping up and facing bigger, heavier men -especially since he didn't make it a marathon. Duran was close and had to contend with superior size -that wears you out. Especially over 15.

    Monzon's constant pressure -psychological as well as physical would be a major problem for Duran. If Duran is stopped by Monzon it would be more than likely due to fatigue.
     
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  5. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    It would have been a case of fire vs ice, with the firey, emotional style of Duran being totally unglued by the ice of Monzon. Monzon would have started slowly and let Duran have the first few rounds, but by round 6 he would have subjected Roberto to the same kind of abuse he subjected Napoles to. Monzon would have manhandled Duran, and the beating Duran would take would seem effortless. Boxing people would have been amazed at how easily Monzon would take apart Duran, and the fight would be stopped in round 7. The fans and experts alike would have been astonished at how Monzon would have outclassed Duran. I think that before the end Monzon would have beaten Duran like a rag doll. We're talking PEAK Monzon, against the best Duran could muster as a middleweight.
     
  6. enquirer

    enquirer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Im torn between two outcomes with my two of my favorite fighters.
    Scenario one sees duran lose in a valiant effort but much more clearly than the hagler fight,with duran using defense,counter punching and sneak right hands to keep this competitive until holding on in the last three rounds due to monzons insipid pressure and stamina.
    The second scenario is that carlos would manhandle duran in close and outbox him from the outside with constant pressure to set up a late stoppage due to fatigue and unanswered punches.
    Its a tribute to duran that people even put him in with carlos.
    Now,lets downsize carlos to 135,who wins then? :bbb
     
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  7. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    My thoughts too. Monzon would not be tentative or overcautious like Hagler was. He just could not be intimidated or be brought off his fightplan otherwise. I don't see Duran going the distance, especially not the earlier, seemingly more powerful version of Monzon. And that's not a knock on Duran; the difference between lightweight and middleweight is gigantic. He grew perhaps a bit larger than lightweight, but at the same time he was getting older and had a lot of mileage.
     
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  8. Minotauro

    Minotauro Boxing Addict Full Member

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  9. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    Griffith performed well over his prime weight, which was welterweight. I was combining accomplishments at the weight combined with H2H. Yeah, Griffith accomplished more at the weight and was probably a tougher test for Monzon than Duran would have been. But Duran did take Hagler the distance, remarkable considering he was a natural lightweight. Duran's longevity as champion and the quality of opponents were mediocre apart from Hagler and Barkley.
     
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  10. Minotauro

    Minotauro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fair enough.
     
  11. laxpdx

    laxpdx Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No.....The way I see it, if Chuckie applies the pressure that Marv SHOULD HAVE, Duran will go down. When I don't know exactly, but I just can't see Duran hanging the full 12 or 15 with a guy like Monzon.
     
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  12. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If Duran's sole purpose was to go the distance with Monzon, he could do it. If Duran fought the fight to win he may leave the door open to be hit and stopped but Duran's in fighting and boxing ability to box should allow him a competitive fight, Duran was not prime when he fought Hearns and made a foolish mistake of standing up strait and got caught but against Barlkey,Leonard,Hagler, he never was hurt
     
  13. markedwardscott

    markedwardscott Active Member Full Member

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    Duran may last fifteen since Monzon didn't have one-punch fire like Hearns. But Monzon would win.
     
  14. ThinBlack

    ThinBlack Boxing Addict banned

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    No, but he would definitely last thirteen, which is when Monzon would stop Duran.
     
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  15. leverage

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    I once jokingly said that duran would beat monzon but seriously speaking, the physical advantages that "king Carlos" possessed would slowly wear duran down. Duran would in my opinion would land his share of punches and perhaps even win a few rounds. However, his having to continually duck and dodge punches,(which he would do plenty of because monzon had great height and reach advantages) would eventually leave him tired in the championship rounds.

    You could never totally count out a fighter like duran but in this case I think that the hill would be too hard to climb. Although i feel that duran would be too cagy to be ko'd or even tko'd, he'd be too small to win. It's simply the case of the great big man beating the great little man probably 11 rounds to 4 or at the least 10 rounds to 5.
     
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