Could Roland Lastarza have succeeded in other eras?

And what has that **** to do with the things we usually discussed?


LaStarza TKO 8 Haye :good

 

My point is most of the people who post in this classic boxing section are quick to say so and so lost becuase he was old or he was injured or he took a dive or the conditions in the old days where worse. Then when a modern fighter loses for any reason they don't accpet that it might be becuase he didn't train or he was injured etc. I was not specifically refering to roland more of a general observation about alot of the posters in the classic section. Also haye learned the error of his way's and now trains properly, he used to be a model etc and go out partying in london evry night and now he just wants to do well at boxing. Also he drains 30 pounds to make cruiserweight so that shows up why he sometimes lacks abit of stamina, people just see what they want to and don't look beyond the simple things.

 

I know, there are some posters (like everywhere) who really always favour the old-timers, but the same exists with people who always favour the modern fighters, because of the weight/size-****. I think, that I´m honest/unbiased enought to make good predictions, I mean, look, here at our example (LaStarza-Haye), I would only favour LaStarza, because he was a tricky fighter with great defensive skills and a very good chin, and he proved against the best HW´s of his era that he was a tough fighter. Haye, like I wrote 10000 times yet, struggled even against limited CW-opposition, but to be fair, he´s young and we must wait how he looks when he reach his prime...


but all in all, I really can´t see why you call me a moran (although I´m one in general) only because I pick an against elite-HW´s proven fighters against one who isn´t even against CW-opposition...

 

No it was becuase of the way you responded, if you had just written what you wrote now i would have said fair enough

 

I wrote it so, because you always sound a bit disrespectful indirectly to some fighters...


But let´s finish our "verbal- battle", I´m tired. :thumbsup

 

Well, that´s your opinion, who cares? Many very good posters here know/ say that I have boxing knowledge and make fair and realistic predictions...

 

Which fighter's have i been disrespectful to, saying i think lennox lewis punch's harder than marciano etc what disrespect.

 

Once again a great smiley-post, mr. magoo, do you have another one for me? It is full with so much informations about boxing, history, action, etc...

 

Come of it luigi you haven't done that all thread until your last post to me, pot calling the kettle black, not matter what you think about my boxing rational at least i give reasons as to why i say the things i do.

 

But the things you give us aren´t logical, a fighter with a questionable chin, who was hurt against a light-hitting SMW for example, against a proven HW with very good chin...


the outcome could only be one, and that´s a KO for Roland...

 

I have not problem with your arguement that Haye might turn out to be better than LaStarza when all the results are in. The opposite might also turn out to be true.
I do think "an era of some of the worst competition ever in the heavyweight ranks" is the usual sort of over-the-top statement always made by modernists and which just sours the debate.

1951-1955 Hall-of-Fame fighters rated at heavyweight or who fought a rated heavyweight:
Joe Louis, Ezzard Charles, Jersey Joe Walcott, Jimmy Bivins, Rocky Marciano, Harold Johnson, Archie Moore, Joey Maxim, Floyd Patterson, Sonny Liston, Willie Pastrano, Ingemar Johansson. With 12 Hall-of-Famers competing, why is the competition poor during this five year period?

 

Half of those guys are hall of fame from fighitng at light heavyweight not heavyweight, so i don't really count that as a heavyweight fighter of the time. The light heavyweight division at the time was one of the best ever, and joe louis was not really anywhere near his best even by 1950. Also half these fighter's lost to poor competion in many of there fight's this doesn't make them bad fighter's but i don't rate them as highly as heavyweight contender's as you do.