Could Roy Jones school Wilder?

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  1. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ivan Calderon can also outbox any Heavyweight champion, from any era as long as they don't manage to land anything (possible)
     
  2. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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  3. northpaw

    northpaw Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The thing is, no matter how good you are you're going to get hit in a fight, It is impossible to not be hit. Roy can dance, move, and be evasive but he's gonna get clocked eventually. No opponent that Wilder has ever fought has been able to avoid getting clocked. Roy would be fighting a longer, larger fast guy. Roy got hit a few good times by Ruiz who's not slow but is no speed demon. Wilder can throw very fast and at weird angles that you can't react to (ironically enough, just like Roy). I'm not one of the guys on here that thinks Roy's chin was china, he had a solid chin IMO but at the end of the day, it's irrelevant. If a LHW get's it by Wilder, they're gonna disintegrate. Wilder is one of the biggest punchers at HW of the last 40 years, point blank.

    There's no way Roy would win: Wilder by KTFO 5.
     
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  4. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    What about Toney? I think Roy has more of a chance because even though Toney's chin is much better, he gets hit a lot more.
     
  5. Jennifer Love Hewitt

    Jennifer Love Hewitt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No. Not a chance. There is a reason Roy Jones ran away from heavyweight after he and Jay Nady tag teamed Ruiz for a paper belt.
    Roy was great, but he was not a heavyweight.
     
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  6. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas FRANKINAUSTIN

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    The only thing RJJ could school WIlder in is about raising chickens.

    WTF is wrong is some people....RJJ beat Wilders because he defeated John Ruiz? A Ruiz who is light years below Wilder in punching power?

    Wilder catches RJJ as he is riding his bicycle....late rounds.
     
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  7. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    No, not because he beat Ruiz, who is more skilled than Wilder. Because of how horrible Wilder’s technique is and how clumsy he looks, something that was exploited by an elusive HW and could be exploited by a smaller, but quicker, fighter.
     
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  8. RingKing75

    RingKing75 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    There Is no version of Roy that beats DW. stop the nonsense.
     
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  9. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The difference in skill, footwork, and handspeed is night and day. RJJ was still too elusive for Wilder when he fought Ruiz at HW. It wasn't until RJJ lost a lot of his speed and reflexes by moving back down to LHW that he was able to be caught cold like he was vs Tarver and Glen Johnson. When he was at HW he hadn't lost that yet, he was too skilled at that time to be caught like Ortiz was or even like Fury was.

    Also RJJ had the handspeed and the power to actually hurt Wilder. Now he didn't stop Ruiz but that doesn't mean he couldn't have stopped Wilder. Luiz Ortiz had Wilder in pretty serious trouble in their first match. Imagine RJJ in there, it would be a much different story. Now on the other side of it, Wilder certainly has the power to KO Roy. But the chances are it would go to 12 round decision and Roy would win a clear decision since Wilder generally does not even attempt to win rounds. There's a definite chance of RJJ being KO'd or him KO'ing Wilder, but you'd have to lean towards a RJJ win. Obviously the lessened RJJ that fought Tarver or Johnson would get KTFO by Wilder, but that was a badly faded RJJ. RJJ faded very quickly after he fought Ruiz and moved back down. But RJJ still had it, he still looked prime when he fought Ruiz only bigger, that guy would have schooled Wilder, and all he had to do was avoid that right hand and win a decision.
     
  10. kirk

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    We just disagree on that.

    The reason there is weightclasses is because eventually size beats speed.

    Roys speed would not make up for him having way too much distance to cover against someone so large and powerful.

    Ruiz caught Roy. There is simply no way Wilder isnt going to find Roy in 36 minutes of fighting. Against a Roy that, at a huge reach disadvantage as well, is going to have to walk through the killzone to try and even get to Wilder.

    Speeds great when your dimensions allow you to implement it. I just dont see that being the case here.



    But... its just imo.
     
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  11. kirk

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    Just to remind people...

    The dimensional difference between Roy and Wilder, would be like Loma fighting Pavlik.

    Is Loma going to beat Pavlik because hes magnitudes better, magnitudes more skilled, and magnitudes faster?

    Similar scenario, imo.
     
  12. kirk

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    Id give Tarver a better chance but just personally Id still comfortably favor Wilder.

    But... totally possible Im overrating him.

    I just think that to beat Wilder someone is either gonna have to be big or iron enough to withstand the eventual bomb that lands, strong and rough enough to make it the kind of fight that keeps Wilder from landing that punch, or powerful enough to stop Wilder first.

    I dont see Tarver fitting in to those scenarios.

    Trying to box with Wilder at his range is a recipe to get KO'd by him, over the course of 12.... imo. Regardless if you are systematically getting the better of the rounds.
     
  13. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    Fair. But I'm sure we're both in agreement that Tarver would be one of the tougher challengers Wilder had faced. Barring Fury I think Tarver is better than anyone Wilders been in with.
     
  14. MetalLicker

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    No way Jones wins. He picked Ruiz for a reason. Ruiz was slow and he was 6'2". Jones was basically giving up 4 inches in reach and 3 inches in height. Not a lot.

    Jones would get KO'ed against Wilder. I'm talking flattened like Tarver flattened him. His speed wouldn't be able to overcome the height and reach and he'd have to be the aggressor if he wants to land. Jones wouldn't win in any range. He'd get bombed out after a few rounds.
     
  15. Serge

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    Bootleg D

    Can crusher power = 10
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    Roy

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