Could someone please define "One-Dimensional" for me?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by JETSKI, Jun 13, 2008.


  1. bigtime-skills

    bigtime-skills Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You have been hating on Tito FOR YEARS......

    Why can't you just appeciate BOTH fighters for their respective greatness...



    "Men shouldn't be jealous that a female trait." - Jay-Z
     
  2. huki

    huki huk huk ^_^;; Full Member

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    I don't even know what I want to see more now.. the thread PacDBest makes when Pac loses or the thread Jetski makes when Pavlik loses.

    Example of a one-dimensional fighter: Pavlik

    Example of a multi-dimensional fighter: Guzman

    If you can't see the difference, then keep watching them fight.
     
  3. thespecialone

    thespecialone Active Member Full Member

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    I agree about not fixing something unless it's broke but you have to have a back up plan in place because if it goes wrong in a fight and you have no back up plan then unlucky
     
  4. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    I completely disagree about 'not fixing something unless it's broke'.

    Evidently so does Kelly Pavlik and his management team, otherwise he'd never have reached the level he's at already.

    Improving performances and picking up on weaknesses before they get fully exposed is part of developing as a fighter.
     
  5. iceman

    iceman Tis my Island Full Member

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    I think Pavlik proved in the 2nd Taylor fight that he is not one-dimensional.He boxed alot more than usual and executed a more cautious gameplan instead of the ' seek and destroy' mentality
     
  6. JETSKI

    JETSKI Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Exactly. He can adjust. And Kelly admitted after the fight that for some reason, he didn't feel quit right. MAybe it was the adjustments Taylor made the 2nd time around. But the fact remains, Pavlik made adjustments too. And won.
     
  7. cardstars

    cardstars Gamboa is GOD Full Member

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    How did he use his "other dimensions"? It was the same Pavlik that came back and beat Taylor as I saw it.....
     
  8. Caliboxing

    Caliboxing Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  9. cardstars

    cardstars Gamboa is GOD Full Member

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    The thing for me is that when a guy shows more than "one dimension" he changes his gameplan and executes differently. The way I see it is that he got macho, dropped his guard, got nailed by Taylor, then starting the next round he went back to his usual forward - 1-2 throwing. I agree his is not quite one dimensional from the second Taylor fight though. I believe it was somewhere around round 8 or 9 where he started pumping the jab more and using uppercuts to mix it up a bit. Just my .2 cents
     
  10. cardstars

    cardstars Gamboa is GOD Full Member

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    Lets add Miranda to that while we're at it
     
  11. Caliboxing

    Caliboxing Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Pavlik is more of a two-dimensional fighter. He makes up for what he lacks with good fundamentals and toughness. Not every one can have the speed and skills of a Guzman.
     
  12. cardstars

    cardstars Gamboa is GOD Full Member

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    But just based off of toughness, heart, power, and boxing Miranda, Andrade, Margarito, etc fit the bill. They show plenty of all of those (depending on what you mean by "boxing" I guess)
     
  13. Stinky gloves

    Stinky gloves Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You can say Mayweather is one dimensional ... just run and counter-punch, run and counter-punch ....
     
  14. huki

    huki huk huk ^_^;; Full Member

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    Who cares about those versions of them now? In their prime, they were clearly multidimensional elites. Pavlik clearly isn't.

    Yes, I guess you can argue that the 147 pound version of Floyd is one dimensional, but that one dimension is so effective that he is still able to be an elite fighter.. similar to how Winky Wright was basically one dimensional even in his prime at 154, but he was still an elite fighter. Pavlik's one dimension isn't anywhere close to as good or effective as these fighters' one dimension though.
     
  15. Stinky gloves

    Stinky gloves Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You can't really say Pavlik is not effective, he beat Miranda and Taylor 2x and is unbeaten, so if you say thet effectiveness is and issue Pavlik is not one dimensional fore sure.