Could Sonny Liston have made it undefeated vs Louis title defenses?

Aha,so Ali dominating the fight for the first 3 rounds when he had his old foot speed,then having to fight
in a more flat-footed style due to his declining speed (yes it's that word again ) and conceding rounds to
Frazier was just a coincidence ? That this didn't fully illusstrate that the peak 1960's Ali would have defeated
Frazier,at least according to you ? Really ?

 

Unfortunately I have the same problem with you.

 

Copying my responses isn't the own you think it is especially when its wrong

 

Fight would have gone the same no matter what Ali showed up. Ali had nothing that could stop Frazier and Frazier had all the tools to beat Ali simple as that. Making up fanfiction to justify why your idol lost doesn't change that

 

You should take it as a compliment.

 

No ,you think you know what we are going to say,and type out your response before we have posted ours;lol

 

So their next two fights , and there results were because ,Frazier was irrevocably damaged. Whereas Ali having18 rounds of boxing in 4 years prior to FOTC is unimportant? Interesting

 

Notice how when you present them with logical questions that non plus them they revert to the old hackneyed,"your idol,"BS?

 

And I'm right everytime funny how that works.

Do you really think Frazier was ever the same after the damage he took in the FOTC? It wasn't as important as people make it out to be Ali was still in great shape in the first fight arguably the best shape he'd ever be and still lost but people just want to make excuses for his losses.

 

Oh I see,so the past-prime Ali laying on so much punishment to Joe Frazier that by consensus Smokin'Joe
was simply never the same fighter again means Ali had nothing to stop Frazier ? Just a couple of observations-
have you looked at the state of Joe's face after FOTC ? Also why would Ali need to stop Frazier ? All the evidence points to the peak Ali securing a decision against Smokin' Joe.
As for Ali being my idol ? No ! In fact I'm a much bigger fan of Joe than I am of Ali.I'm just pointing out the
truth with regards to the respective merits of Ali and Frazier as fighters.
To summarize I regard Smokin' Joe as an ATG,but Ali just happens to the GOAT.

 

Tell me a single thing I said wrong then you can yap. Otherwise keep making up fanfic about how great your idols were, I'll keep living in reality and describing how they actually were not the fairytale version you created in your heads.

 

Too right mate,I've just pointed out to this chap that if anything I'm a much bigger fan of Smokin'Joe
than I am of Ali !

 

I don't make excuses for his losses,but I do think, and Dundee,Torres,and Jerry Izenberg agree with me that with more rounds under his belt Ali might have won their first fight,as it was he did enough to hospitalize Frazier for a considerable time.
Do you know ,you sound a lot like Klompton,your posts have the same,dripping with condescension quality about them.

 

Did he stop him then? Nope then yes that suggests Ali could never stop him or is that too hard for to comprehend?

How? Would being slightly faster somehow magically solve all the technical flaws that he had that would allow him to win? Would it solve his issue of being open to the left hook? Would it solve the issue of getting stuck on the ropes? All of these flaws were evident in his prime but magically he would solve them if he was faster? Get real my dude

 

Mate I'm 76 I don't have idols,and my favourite heavyweight is Jack Dempsey. More smug projection on your part,we have heard it all before.Ad Nauseum.