Could Sonny Liston have made it undefeated vs Louis title defenses?

TBF Liston was cooked for Martin.

 

He was burnt to a crisp.

 

And so?

Martin still beat his ass, knocking him out.

 

And so....that was a middle-aged Liston who caused so much damage to Martin that
Leotis had to retire.

 

Lie, he had an injury before the Liston fight. In the Wendell Newton fight, he injured the same eye that later caused retina problems. The same would have happened, or worse, if he had fought against Frazier.

And that was a fighter who started at 175 pounds, a natural LHW who was nothing more than an okayish contender.

 

Hmmm....ok so no doubt you have empirical evidence that Leotis Martin had injured his
eye before his fight with Liston ?
So Leotis Martin started his career at 175 pounds ? Oh dear,oh dear.How about ATGS like Jack Dempsey
and Ezzard Charles starting their careers at around 150-160 lbs ?

 

Well Johnson would probably be shut down on here as a 2nd and probably most people here would have him top 10.

 

Patterson won Olympic Gold at middleweight. Muhammad Ali won Olympic Gold at light heavyweight.

 

Excellent points Sir !

 

Well, again, you are comparing ATG with Martin, and Martin is not an ATG.
Dempsey started light but became top 10 atg, while Martin started light and was just a contender, and not even a great contender.

Ezzard Charles is ATG and possibly the greatest LHW of all time. Martin was a good journeyman and okayish contender at best, you can not compare them.

Some fighters started light but achieved greatness, Martin didn't achieve anything besides being a contender at best.

 

Yeah but they were top 10 HWs of all time while Martin is not top 20 contenders for HW title of all time let alone top 50 hws of all time ha ha.

 

Oh really? So according to you Leotis Martin is not in the top 50 heavyweights of all time ? That's quite
a claim on your part.Would you like to give a rating to the Leon Spinks who defeated Muhammad Ali ?
Yep,the very same Leon Spinks who had all of 7 fights before he fought Ali.Or perhaps you would like
to place Kevin McBride in your pantheon of the great heavyweights ? You know, that bloke who defeated
Mike Tyson.

 

No, stop trying to wriggle out of this.You sneered at Leotis Martin for starting at a comparatively low weight.Now you're squirming around trying to disguise the folly of your original statement.

 

Michael Spinks won Olympic Gold at middleweight.