Could Sonny Liston have made it undefeated vs Louis title defenses?

Yep,I slipped up on that one.Cheers mate.

 

A bum is a name for human punching bags, joruneymans who know that they can never be better than that, and their role is to test younger talented fighters who are going thru ranks, they are gatekeepers of contenders like contenders are gatekeepers of champions.

Journeymans with paded record who have many losses and serve as human punching bags are called bums, which they are.

If they weren't bums they would be at least contenders.

Dempsey didn't have amateur experience at all unlike Liston who had it, guys like Dempsey were gaining experience fighting pros.

Meehan was experienced boxer but Dempsey knocked him out in the rematch and never lose by KO against him unlike Liston.

Excuse me, but how many fights Charles had at the time of his last fights?
I think 3 times more than Liston plus he developed Loui Gherrig's disease, which is even much worse than Ali's case, unlike Liston who didn't have any disease, had 3 times less fights and was only unhealthy individual.

You compared Liston with Charles who had 122 pro fights and was battling Loui Gherrig's disease which is insane.

 

Again lie, Martin developed injury before Liston fight, I doubt Liston rematches him, like he didn't eanted a rematch with Machen who was giving him hard time.

 

Nope, they were same age, 38 years old both of them.
Again lie from you.

 

And so?

McBride fought in tougher era than Martin, who lost his fight by TKO against Jimmy Ellis who was light handed, against no skill Bonavena and some Henry Clark.

Those were not great names to lose against if you are good contender, and Bonavena and Ellis weren't best contenders compared to guys after them.


Again Tyson fought also old, against guy 6ft6 80 inch reach and 271 pounds, 90 pounds heavier than Martin unlike Liston who fought and lost against a smaller weaker men.

 

Jimmy Ellis beat Floyd Patterson and Jerry Quarry. There are worse scalps for a boxer to have. Bonavena had 67 fights and was only stopped once. He also gave Joe Frazier two competitive flights

 

And so ......look what Sonny Liston did to Chuck Wepner.Again Wepner was no ATG but he was better than McBride.
Oh wait.....Liston actually defeated Wepner while Tyson lost to McBride.

 

Not a lie but a genuine mistake,which I acknowledged in another post.By all means celebrate this.It's
the only inaccuracy from me.Wish I could say the same for you.

 

Nope,you still dodging my request for proof that Martin injured his eye before his fight with Liston.

 

Good points mate.

 

The brave men you describe as ' bums ' or ' human punch bags ' deserve more than your contempt.As somebody who claims to have knowlege of boxing you should know this.

LOL ! You go on about Jack Dempsey's lack of amateur experience but he already had 37 professional fights by the time he lost to Meehan.
In fact Dempsey's record against the 5' 9'' Meehan was embarrassing. 5 fights-2 victories,1 defeat and 2 draws.
Apparently the 5' 9'' Meehan was chubby at around 190 lbs.So much for you mocking Martin when Leotis was fighting fit at 199lbs.


Ok,now let me say that I have the utmost respect for Ezzard Charles,and his suffering from Lou Gehrigs disease was genuinely tragic.Also pound-for-pound Ezzard is probably among the
top 3 or 4 fighters in history.But as a heavyweight I would have to back Sonny against Ezzard.
It's a real stretch to say that all of Charles's late career defeats were due to his
sickness.Perhaps Charles was becoming to suffer from the onset of Lou Gehrig's disease at the tail-end of his career but it is highly unlikely this disease had any bearing on his earlier defeats.

Yes absolutely,it is tragic that this great man's life was ruined and shortened by that horrible disease.

 

Bonavena was outboxed by ancient Patterson and by slugger Ron Lyl, hardly good fighter.

Jimmy Ellis defeat of Patterson are questionable, it should be a draw, and that was the weakest era he foight in.

 

If they deserved more than being bums, they wil achieve something, not stay bums for the rest of their lifes.

Dempsey didn't have amateur record at all and still he won by KO in the rematch, Liston had amateur record and god knows hoe many fights facing Martin and still lost against Martin.

Leotis was anything but 199 pounds, his real weight 175-185, he just bulked up.

You disn't say anything about earlier defeats, you mentioned ones when he was way past his prime..
He developed that in 1955 when everything starting to fade, even Charles said somethinf was wrong.

Charles had good amateur record and 122 pro fights, yes he lose or win some, but as a LHW he defeated Joe Louis and Walcott and as LHW he defeated Moore, he was good HW and the GOAT LHW, Charles re ord is way greater than Liston's and Martin's together.

 

Wepner was not any better than McBride, perhpas he's much worse losing against so many guys by TKO or Ko.

And McBride was much bigger man than even wepner.

 

Why then you didn't admit that yourself at first but you continued saying Sonny is older?