Could Sonny Liston have made it undefeated vs Louis title defenses?

I don't think Braddock was anywhere near as good as Schmeling. Let's be real Baer wasn't half as motivated for Braddock as he was for Schmeling and Schmeling is the far more proven fighter. Braddock had a solid chin so he'd probably last a while and like you said his power was good enough to knock Louis down so maybe he could Liston but I still think it'd be one sided. I'm gonna continue with one of Louis title challengers.

Tommy Farr is actually an interesting case he's got a great chin. Has Liston actually went 15 rounds before? If so this might actually be a little tougher on Liston as Farr had a combination of Toughness and Stamina that could make it uncomfortable for Liston. Liston again though is the far superior boxer and his combination of Reach and technique would be hard to overcome. I'd give Liston a 9/10 chance of winning a painless UD against Farr.

 

You'd have to find nearly 12 straight years where Liston could beat all those guys.

Was Liston even a top heavyweight for that long?

How early would he have to beat Braddock? Could the Liston who lost to Leotis Martin beat Walcott twice?

I just don't see it. It's not just about the opponents. It the time frame Louis was on top.

 

Yessss.......I think everybody knows that Muhammad Ali wasn't the most '' pure '' heavyweight technician in history.He was simply the most difficult heavyweight in history to beat.
Now I'm not going to disrespect Eddie Machen.He was a very skilled,brave fighter who got a rotten deal in life that he did not deserve.
However,like a lot of fighters he tended to have an excuse whenever he lost.I wouldn't take his claim of an injured arm too seriously.Boxers are the bravest men in sports but they are also
the worst when it comes to making excuses for their defeats.
According to you Machen was a '' 2nd rate Hw ''.Not true,simply not true.At his best Machen was world-class.He was listed in the Ring's top 10 contenders for a significant number of years.
Such men are not ''2nd rate''.

 

Yes.

 

Machen was ranked .
56.no5
57.no1
58.no7
59.no5
60.no3
61.no2
63.no6
64.no9

That is not the record of a second rater.
Could you point out specific instances in the fight which show Machen had an injured right?:

 

Except all the times he was beat.........

 

Sonny Liston defeated every leading contender during a 6 year period from 1958 to 1964.Jersey Joe was a
very fine,and indeed underrated heavyweight but given Sonny's record he would be favourite to beat Walcott.
Liston's reign was cut short by Muhammad Ali,simply the greatest heavyweight-champion in history.The same
would have happened to any other heavyweight-champion in history.
As for the Leotis Martin fight surely you must know that Sonny Liston was way beyond his prime.This fight
should not be considered when evaluating Liston's credentials as a Heavyweight ATG.

 

I didn't say Ali was impossible to beat,but that he was the most difficult to beat.Care to name any heavyweight
that you would genuinely tip to beat Muhammad Ali 1964-67 ?

 

Larry Holmes, Joe Louis, Lennox Lewis, Wladimir Klitschko, Vitali Klitschko, Oleksandr Usyk, Joe Frazier, Ken Norton etc. Ali is overrated H2H plenty of fighters after him would beat him

 

Walcott might have given Liston a very tough fight because he was so slick and cagey. But I think Sonny's power would ultimately make the difference and he could eventually get to him. Besides Jersey Joe I don't see any other fighter on that list beating a well-trained/conditioned late 50's-early 60's Sonny Liston.

 

going 12 years undefeated is a large task, I do think Liston misses up somewhere in that run. I think Walcott beats a older Liston during this time frame after Liston's 3-year break from WW2.

 

Produce a news report that confirms Liston was knocked down by Marshall,please.

 

Farr lost every fight he had in the US.He hasn't the power to hold Liston off.Louis injured his right hand early in the Farr fight.

 

So you would genuinely back those fighters to beat the peak Ali ? Ok, all these guys are ATGs, but I suggest you take a look at Muhammad Ali vs Cleveland Williams 1967.
You will see in Ali the greatest heavyweight in history.I'm not saying it's impossible the guys you mentioned could have pulled off a shock win.......but it really is very,very unlikely.