Could Sonny Liston have made it undefeated vs Louis title defenses?

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  1. Spreadeagle

    Spreadeagle Active Member Full Member

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    That's how I see it . I think Sonny would still had enough professional pride to see the job through.
    Such is the brutality of boxing that once a fighter feels he is past it he must be mighty tempted
    to chuck it in during fights in the later part of his career.It's amazing that these men,on the whole,
    still put in a decent effort once they started to decline.
     
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    So would McBride,a man who lost to Tomasz Ademek be able to this to Sonny Liston.Adamek was a decent
    fighter but nowhere near the same class as an ATG like Sonny Liston.
     
  3. Spreadeagle

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    Buddy,I have to disagree that Sonny quit against Ali.Perhaps this is a subject we can discuss another time.
     
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  4. Spreadeagle

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    Oh for goodness sake stop behaving like a child.
     
  5. Spreadeagle

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    Oh come on.Yes any victory over the great Sam Langford is a fine achievement but that was Sam Langford
    very much in decline.This result,and his victory over Jack Dempsey are the only achievements of Meehan's
    career.Otherwise his resume is,quite frankly, horrible.
     
  6. ThatOne

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    Ali always and invariably fought tall
     
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  7. ThatOne

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    Observations. I'm rewatching Ali-Terrell. I watched the infamous second round three times where Terrell said Ali drgged his face against the ropes and blinded him, WWE style. I added WWE style. It never happened. Howard Cosell and George Chuvalo who were calling the fight didn't see it either. The argument keeps getting made that Ali's leaning back fron punches instead of ducking made him susceptible to the jab and point to Norton having some success with it as proof. That was a 31 year old, 32 year old and 34 year old Ali. The laws of physiology are immutable. He had slowed down by then. If a 24 year old Tyson gets excuses for being KTFO at 24 Ali gets exuses for slowing down at 31, 32, and 34 years old.
     
  8. Spreadeagle

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    Hmm.....ok you do make a convincing argument.Fair Point.However I would still favour
    Mr Liston to get the job done.
     
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  9. ThatOne

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    Terrell is a dirty figher. He holds and hits. Ali held a lot, but he never ever held and hit. Terell also rabbit punches.
     
  10. BoxingFan2002

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    Even aging Langford is better than anyone Martin beat, and Dillon was, too.
    Unlike Liston, Dempsey lost in 4 rnds newspaper decision and then Dempsey knocked him out in the rematch, unlike Liston in both cases, who lost and lost by KO.
     
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    Only you behave like a child, you claimed stupid things multiple times, and yet you never had a valid argument to prove your point.
     
  12. BoxingFan2002

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    Prime Liston not at all, but Liston, who lost against Martin and had an exhausting battle with Wepner, will lose against McBride.
     
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    Yes, I believe Sonny Liston could have beaten all of Louis’s opponents. But could he replicate 26 title fight wins over an 11.5 year period ? Doubtful because his age and short prime wouldn’t permit it
     
  14. ThatOne

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    One of the arguments I see made is that Ali fans want to take his 60s attributes like uncanny speed of foot and reflexes and merge them with his 70s toughness and guile. The thing is he was still getting better when he was banned from boxing and could have had his 60s and 70s attributes.
     
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