Could Sonny Liston have made it undefeated vs Louis title defenses?

Folley beat
Cooper
Bonavena
Foster
Zech
Chuvalo
Jones
DeJohn
Cleroux
Machen
Miteff
Daniels

Machen beat
Quarry
Orbillo
Rischer
Jones
DeJohn
Hunter
McMurtry
Besmanoff
King
Baker
Maxim
Valdes
Jackson
The inanity of the aforesaid opinion is realized when one considers the following were basically cruisers as we understand the term today.
Johnson
Dempsey
Tunney
Louis
Charles
Walcott
Marciano
Frazier
Lets also not forget Ali and Liston's best weights were around 212lbs

To state Machen and Folley were not good contenders.and to do so in an effort to denigrate the man who beat them,[Liston,]is the reaction of a half wit,and that is being generous.

 

YES HE DID, he was sweating and could not stop Wepner inside 9 rounds while Foreman and Bugner did in 3 rounds.

McBride being bigger, stronger, and more skillful would give Sonny 3 times more problems than Wepner.

 

He struggled because he was sweating?

• Wepner was down from a right to the body in the fifth round.
• The fight was stopped after the ninth round due to severe cuts over both of Wepner's eyes. He required 72 stitches and also suffered a broken nose and a cracked left cheekbone.
• Referee Barney Felix - the sole official - scored it 6-2-1 in Liston's favor through nine completed rounds.
• Unofficial Ring Magazine scorecard - 8-0-1 for Liston.
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• Doesn't seem much of a struggle to me! lol

 

He beat Langford in 1917, when Langford was not yet in decline and was still one of the best boxers of the time.

What makes him better than Martin is that he was LHW champion; Martin could not even be a LHW champion and a good contender in HW. So, Dillon being better at LHW means that he would also do better in HW.

 

Yet Foreman and Bugner needed only 3 rounds to stop that Wepner, even being green fighters, while Liston, who was an experienced pro, could not put him away until round 9.

 

What makes him better than Martin is that he was LHW champion; Martin could not even be a LHW champion and a good contender in HW. So, Dillon being better at LHW means that he would also do better in HW.[/QUOTE]
No, Meehan beat Langford in1919 when Langford was blind in one eye from a damaged optic nerve sustained in1917 against Fulton Langford had won just 2 of his last 6 fights,half blind he was clearly on the slide. Martin only had 9 fights at lhvy.

 

Nobody busted up Wepner Like Liston did 72 stitches,a broken nose and a cracked cheekbone.Neither Foreman or Bugner floored Wepner.

 

No.Langord suffered a detached retina in a fight with Fred Fulton in 1917.By the time Sam fought
Meehan he was blind in one eye.
Leotis Martin never became a world-light heavyweight champion because he set his sights on
becoming the World heavyweight champion.A rather strange reason to use in saying he wasn't as good
as Jack Dillon !

 

So Liston '' sweated '' ? Liston also broke Wepner's cheekbone,nose and gave Chuck 72 stitches courtesy of his great left jab.
Would you like to reconsider your definition of ''struggled '' ?

 

He destroys everyone

 

Oh, hey. Welcome back.

 

Shaq used to sweat a lot

 

Man I must ****ing suck as a Boxer, here I am sweating due to summer heat alone. Can't imagine what would happen vs an actual person.

 

You box? Neat, How many bouts have you had? It’s nice to have guys here who’ve been in the ring and fought.