Could Sonny Liston have made it undefeated vs Louis title defenses?

None yet, college classes being scheduled for afternoons basically destroyed any chances of serious training the past 2 years since there are no morning sessions. Shame, coz I was actually on my way to compete in a national tournament (Greece's competition is really shallow, you can basically enter a national level tournament with no experience) back in early 2023 after a year of consistent training (I first started training in 2020, but you know, Covid).

I did spar yesterday in my second day back though, now that college is done for now. 3 different sparring partners for 3 different rounds, beat all of them easily mostly through lead hand work, with the odd right hand here and there. They were probably newbies though, they weren't there when I was actively training before starting college and the few mini comebacks in between, and they seemed to box within themselves.

Still felt damn good though, given how they're all probably in way better shape than I am (for now), and they just couldn't do a thing.

 

They would if fight lasted 9 rounds instead 3, but your hero couldn't put Wepner out for 9 rounds while Foreman and Bugner both green did.

 

Yes and had two draws with him in 1917, one being slightly more in favor for Meehan.

Meehan also fought and beat Brennan and Gibons.

Martin started, and fought as LHW which means he's natural LHW not a HW you trying to make him.

Even bigger Spinks and Holyfield weren't true HWs let alone Martin.

 

Same would happen if he wasn't stopped but continued fighting Foreman and Bugner.

And still Bugner and Foreman being green guys fimished Wepner faster than your hero.

Compared to their wins, Liston win is a struggle.

 

Meehan fought Langford in 1917 and 1919, with two draws and one victory, better than anything Martin did.

He couldn't beat guys that were beat by LHWs, Ellis>>>Bonavena>>>Martin.

As I said, Martin couldn't be good LHW champion or even gatekeeper contender but rather a journeyman and okay contender.

 

Yep, poor old Shaq must have always been struggling !

 

So despite me,and other posters, detailing the horrendous damage Liston inflicted on Wepner you
say Liston struggled.......because he sweated !
It has now reached the point where I suspect you are trolling.

 

What about Meehan starting as a flyweight ?

 

You're not very good on details are you ? You said Meehan defeated Langford in 1917,when Meehan actually
defeated Langford in 1919.This is critical because Sam was blind in one eye by 1918.I'll be generous and assume you made a genuine mistake rather than call you a liar.Although quite frankly you don't deserve such generosity.
Curious fact about Meehan-he started his career as a flyweight.That's right.The man who beat Dempsey ( and yes I do regard Jack Dempsey as a genuine ATG ) started his career as a flyweight.
So much for you droning on about Ellis and Martin being light-heavyweights.

 

No Sonny would lose well before reaching Louis 25 defenses. Sonny was good enough to beat any of them but he wasn't one for longevity. He did'nt have the stability outside the ring. Liston would take one of them for granted and catch an L.

 

There's no sweating in boxing.

 

Meehan was much better at 4 rounders then he was at normal boxing.

 

He didn't sweat; he just showed a lack of stamina and the output of punches needed to keep the oponent busy.

There is a picture of tiring Sonny on Wepner because Sonny, at that time being past prime, had stamina problems, which he showed in the Martin fight.

I do not care about the damage that would have happened to Wepner if Wepner lasted longer with Foreman and Bugner, but they put him inside 3 rounds while Liston needed 9 rounds to stop Wepner.

Yes, Liston struggled because Foreman and Bugner at that time, green fighters were able to stop Wepner inside 3 rounds, 1973 Foreman would stop Wepner most likely inside 1 round.

 

He still defeated Langford and showed me any win of Leotis Martin, which was good as beating even that version of Langford.
Meehan also defeated LHW champ Dillon, equivalent of that will be like if Martin beat older Patterson and LHW champ Bob Foster, but he did not and since that, I could comfortably say that even Meehan achieved more than Martin.

 

Sonny Liston could have beat everyone Joe Louis beat but he lacked the discipline to do it in the same time frame.