Could SRL or Hearns have won all the world titles they won at different weights in this era?

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  1. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    yes but Barkley fought the defensive guys who were even bigger and better than Canelo like Toney and Kalambay, who is underrated and he rocked even Kalambay, and he hit Toney with a punch Toney said was the best punch he ever took. Barkley was always slow but effective and he threw in the middle of getting hit, which was how he would tag guys like Hearns and Toney and even Nunn when they didn't expect it. . Against Hearns in 1988 he was missing also, but you had beat him badly to get him to stop and he would go rounds. Sugar Ray Leonard didn't even want to fight him in 1989.. Saying he was too big. He lost most of his fights against those guys I mentioned, but he rocked them all and Canelo was small. I think in this situation I am would not be too confident Canelo can beat a big Barkley. Let me add this. I think the era now and saying Canelo beats guys now is different than the era then. Canelo would not be as succesful in 1991 as he is today handpicking as he moved up.
     
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  2. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Canelo looked sharper v Kov.
     
  3. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Hearns was erratic afte the Hagler fight, he never fought with the savvy he showe v Benitez ever again, Canelo could easily hurt Tommy, Hearns was sloppy and wide open v Barkley, Canelo`s reflexes are betterr thana 30 year old Duran`s who outhustled and outboxed Barkley despite a big height and reach advantage.
     
  4. PernellSweetPea

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    I don't think so. Kovalev now after he was stopped 2 times by Ward and Alvarez (the first Alvarez). Tommy was pretty sharp then. Andries was always underrated as his win over Czyz showed.. And he won the lightheavyweight title 3 times didn't he? And Virgil? He has 20 some title defenses in three reigns at 175 and 190.
     
  5. PernellSweetPea

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    There is nothing in Canelo which is similar to Barkley. Barkley was a big guy who could have punched with heavyweights and he swung for the fences relying on his size and strength to take punches in order to give them. Canelo waits more and picks his shots, and waiting against Tommy is what allows him to land punches off his jab. Canelo is being a little overrated now off his last three wins. Well the Jacobs fight is ignored it was sort of 12 rounds of what was expected, but the fellow he beat at 168 and then Kovalev now. Those guys were not top fighters now.. Tommy beat Virgil Hill who was a big 77 inch reach 6 foot 1 1/2 light heavyweight. with 10 title defenses and undefeated against guys like Stewart, Czyz, etc... He was not Kovalev now? I was never too impressed with Kovalev. Ward figured him out from the first fight and stops him in the second fight.. Which people will say it was a bad stoppage. I think Tommy who beat Andries stops Canelo at 175 in 5 or 6 rounds or he would win a decision and pick him apart. I don't think the style of Canelo bothers him. Tommy was quick. Canelo has been handpicking easy guys to fight. Not Jacobs, but he went 12 in that one. Hagler going at Tommy like that was not about Tommy being easy to beat, Marvin was a mission and anyone would have a tough time beating a fellow great who came to swing and win and take punches.
     
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  6. Reinhardt

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    Hmm? Hearns couldn't destroy Iran at 175,
     
  7. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Hill never did much after his loss to Hearns, it was a boring figght and Ko, Alverez and Ward were far harder to hit than the sloppy Andries, Czyz was never a world class fighter.
     
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    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Tommy didn`t have much on his punches against Barkley, Canelo would counter Barkley to death like Toney did, I didn`t like how Hearns body looked in his rematch v Iran compared to how defined his build was v Andries.
     
  9. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    No Canelo`s high guard would be too much for Hearns, he uses it to bait punches as he comes forwards and Tommy was wide open to counters at 175, Canelo would be on the front foot the whole fight like Barkley was, Tommy`s high guard v Barkley was nowhere near as water tight as Canelo`s is.
     
  10. PernellSweetPea

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    I don't what being boring has to do with a great fighter, otherwise Floyd would be considered a club fighter. Czyz was a decent fighter. He is a two division titlist and beating Robert Daniels at the time was considered good. Which Alvarez? If you are talking about the first one to beat Kovalev and not Canelo, no Andries is more accomplished than he is. He is a 3 time light heavyweight champ in the 1980s era. Hill did a lot after the Hearns fight, and had better defenses of his titles after. He had 10 defenses for Hearns and then he tallied 14 more with 2 more titles. Beating Frank Tate two times. You cannot say Tate was not work class. Maske.
     
  11. PernellSweetPea

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    You are overrating the fighters now and underrating the ones of the past. Toney is better defensively than Canelo was. Canelo is good and has good ringmanship but he would be a small guy against Barkley who would keep punching. This is overrating Canelo a little. I get it. He is on top now and looks unbeatable. No Hearns did not look great against Barkley in the rematch. I saw the same thing. Rather soft and and I think he bought into the fact the first fight was a fluke, yet Barkley was more active at the time and Tommy was not. Andries was a decent fighter. Andries vs. Barkley? I wouldn't be surprised if Andries squeezed it out. He was a strong guy and awkward.
     
  12. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    No way, Andries was wild, Steward even said he had to teach him tricks when he changed to the Kronk gym simply because he had no tricks, Alvarez shows much more skill, Andries was just a wild brawler, Cysz as nowhere near the counter puncher that Floyd was, Floyd`s hit and not be hit stats trump Cysz`s stats, he was short armed for a light heavy.
     
  13. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Toney took way more risks than Canelo does and got hit more than Canelo does, Canelo didn`t get hit much at all v Kovalev and Jacobs, Toney got caught a lot in most of his world title fights.
     
  14. Flash24

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    Toney didn't take anymore risk than Canelo does, but he fought much, much more capable competition than Canelo, thus he possibly did get hit more.
     
  15. Flash24

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    I'll reverse this question .Could any of these fighters today win a championship without multiple" world championships" belts per weight class , and with same day weigh ins? And Yes if Leonard or Hearns fought at their skill level in the late 70's early 80's They would go undeafeated at everyweight from welter to Lt.heavy until the fought each other.