Could Sugar Ray Leonard be top 10 fighter of all time?

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  1. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Why not? The man defined Quality of wins. He knew how to win the classics. Quality of the highest kind. That is who he beat. Roberto Duran, Thomas Hearns, Wilfred Benitez, Marvin Hagler. ATG Quality.

    Skillset he is one of the most gifted fighters of all time. An ATG all around boxer-puncher with extraordinary speed and reflexes, movement, combined with smooth boxing skills, high ring IQ, top power in both hands, ATG finisher. He also was as tough as they come. If anyone ever proved his toughness in the ring, it was sugar ray leonard.


    Top 10, or at least close to it.
     
  2. KnockOutArtist

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    Resume-wise, he has everything you could want. It still amazes me when you realize he not only beat all those great names, but he also TKO'd all of them but Hagler. Easily one of the best finishers of all time. Skill-wise, he has everything you want. Fast, adaptable, durable, good power, very good ring intelligence.

    I guess the only real knock against him was that he obviously went too long and had some bad losses/robberies. Still, I don't know why Leonard gets so much put on him for losing to three great fighters in Hearns, Norris, and Camacho, particularly the last 2 given his age. And if the only knock against your record is that Duran and Hearns on their best night can eek out a decision win against you, that's hardly a bad position to be in H2H-wise.

    I'd also wonder if there's a pattern with his tougher fights though. It seems like if he gets hurt early (Duran I, Hearns I, Norris, Camacho), Leonard can be taken out, or at least put out of his comfort zone enough to start taking rounds from him. I just wonder if anyone knows of any counterarguments for that. Maybe Lalonde, but not many other names come to mind immediately.
     
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  4. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    The most important Leonard-Hearns fight happened in 1981. Leonard won that by stoppage.
     
  5. ripcity

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    I have him at no.21 on my list.
     
  8. brownpimp88

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    He also beat a bunch of good contenders in 1978 and 1979 before fighting benitez. He also beat 2 very good fighters like kalule and lalonde. He is definetly in my top 15.
     
  9. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes i have him between 6 and 8.
     
  10. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hm, he is a difficult. He really defines top quality wins. But what he lacks is depth and longevity.Very hard to judge IMO. Factor in that in most fights he got them when he wanted them and exactly on his terms. That´s a knock I think.
     
  11. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Elaborate:huh I dont recall him doing any of that pre Hagler.
     
  12. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Didn´t he fight Hagler when he wanted him? Didn´t Hagler wati for years for that fight? Exactly.
     
  13. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That is true but what you fail to mention is that Hagler was heavily favored and most thought(myself included) that Hagler was gonna go right thru the inactive Leonard. Leonard moving up and not being active made this a great win. If ESB were around back then anyone who picked Leonard would have been laughed off this site and considered a troll.
     
  14. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Of course Hagler was favoured. Of course it was a great win. That never was my point.
     
  15. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Your point what is that it hurt his legacy in your opinion you even stated that, but it ended up making his legacy even greater.