Could the change in roadwork be behind the emergence of SHWs?

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  1. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think it had been done in athletics for a while and the influence just reached boxing. It benefits athletes of all sizes, but my thinking is that it just could benefit the big fellas the most. Actually, I don't think Wlad does hardly any roadwork, not even in intervals, but swims instead in order to go easy on the joints.
     
  2. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    When I am sober, I will attempt to dignify your thread with a resonse. But I have 7 strong beers in me and it's not possible right now.
    'Til later...adios.
     
  3. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Strange how?
     
  4. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Only 7?

    F*ckin'lightweight.
     
  5. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Good Lord, a sensible post on the subject.
     
  6. Unforgiven

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    I'm not saying Ali used steroids.
    I'm saying he used drugs that were supposed to aid his training or enhance his performance, ie. PEDs. He certainly used the thyroid stuff before Holmes. He certainly used painkiller shots in his hands. We don't know what else doctors might have given him on other occassions. I doubt he would even know. The same would be true of many boxers of that era.

    Holyfield, yes, almost 100% certain. And the same for his contemporaries and most HW fighters since.
     
  7. Unforgiven

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    Like I said, boxers have always done something similar.
    You can go back to boxing manuals of the 1890s or 1920s or look for snippets in the press about training regimes of the old timers. Sprint intervals come up regularly in the old school training.

    My opinion is that the worth of the training is proven in the event itself, so I don't think eschewing "intervals" would border on the ridiculous. The proof is in the pudding. If a man can go the distance strong and fit, he's done the right training, and there are a multitude of ways to train for that. It makes no sense to criticize the dogma and orthodoxy of those who thought Spinks was training "strange" and then replace it with a 'modern' dogma that says all athletes need to do X, Y and Z.
    Besides, we're only talking about strength and stamina conditioning. The real training of the boxer is the stuff that involves punching and sparring. Specific boxing training.
     
  8. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well, I posted the links about trainers and fighters saying that the emphasis on conditioning has changed from traditional roadwork to intervals. I'll take their words for it (even if that doesn't have to mean it didn't exist at all before or that running over longer distance is never done anymore).

    And it is better for conditioning (that's why it's generally done in sports overall today), but, yes, that's not the all there is to boxing training. Far from it. But neither did I claim it was, so I don't see what that has to with anything in this thread.

    You can relax, this thread is not about the superiority of more modern training methods. It is really only about if the emergence of interval training has made it easier for the really big guys. No hidden agenda.
     
  9. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Nah, we Northern Europeans are the tallest on average. Estonia is the only former Soviet country that comes ahead of the US in the rankings.

    [url]https://www.google.com/fusiontables/DataSource?docid=120DzHmKJOgO9k5lTlIBh0WALCz-MpXOuoXwznyM#rows:id=1[/url]
     
  10. Unforgiven

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    I didn't think there was any hidden agenda. I don't have an agenda either. I'm just commenting on what I see boxers doing.

    No, I don't think a change in generally prefered training methods would result in the emergence of bigger heavyweights in that way. That doesn't make much sense.
    I doubt any super-HWs with massive boxing potential and huge physical advantages over their peers were falling short in past eras simply because they weren't great at 5-mile runs.
    That's ludricrous really.
     
  11. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The reason most these fighters of today are Super Heavyweights is because they are carrying about 5 stone of fat, if the lazy fcukers did more roadwork the giants would be a pretty rare sight.
     
  12. Unforgiven

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    That's true but I wouldn't call those guys "Super Heavyweights", I'd just call them fat.
    There aren't many "SHWs" in reality.
     
  13. Bokaj

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    When the amount of fast twitch muscle fibers of Danish pro footballers was measured, it turned out to be less on average than that of the average Danish male. Quite surprising for a sport where acceleration and speed is important.

    The theory as to how this could be, was that the training was generally the same for everyone, whether they had explosive muscles or more of the endurance type. Logically this leads to that those with explosive muscles are more prone to injuries (that can become chronic) since their explosive muscles make them expend more force and thus more stress on joints, tendons, muscles etc.

    This is just along the same lines. Different types of training just affects different body types differently. Perhaps ludicrous to you, but makes sense to me. Doesn't have to be the truth, but it just seems like it could be a factor among others.
     
  14. Mendoza

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    Wlad ran a lot and he's 245-250. I would like to see 15 rounds back, but only in title unification matches between champions.
     
  15. Bokaj

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    Fury, Wlad, Pulev and Wilder are hardly short and tubby. They have an average height of about 2 metres.

    The stand out HWs of the last 20 years are Lewis and the Klits. Not really flabby guys.