....could the fix be in? (guess which card I mean)

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by IntentionalButt, Mar 3, 2018.


Any merit to all of this being an elaborate sham?

Poll closed Mar 4, 2018.
  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  3. Maybe

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  1. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    The issue is we have actual proof from previous Wilder fights and the proof from his management putting him in with handpicked opponents many of which Wilder struggled with when he was supposed to blow them out. I mean in 10 years as a Pro Wilder is just now fighting an opponent of Ortiz caliber? He should have been fighting this level of opposition 5 years ago. I don’t necessarily believe the fix is in for the fight tonight but any sane boxing fan has to believe in and understand the carefully crafted career Wilder has had that the author laid out in the article. Wilder has been beyond coddled in a way that would make Amir Khan and Gerry Cooney blush with embarrassment.
     
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  2. Tomato(e) Can

    Tomato(e) Can Emmanuel Dapidran Pacquiao. banned Full Member

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    Mayweather-Ortiz was fixed, too. As was Mayweather-Mosley.

    Haymon is the fixer.
     
  3. Tomato(e) Can

    Tomato(e) Can Emmanuel Dapidran Pacquiao. banned Full Member

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    Teehee.
     
  4. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    So I think it's fair to say that Wilder is getting no credit at all if he wins. Fair enough I guess... :lol:
     
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  5. kirk

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    It doesnt man... not when you look at it from the perspective of the shot callers.

    Theres a reason why there isnt an epidemic of overt fight fixing in boxing (overt meaning, fighters taking dives... as opposed to more covert methods like reffing and judging, which do happen because the way its set up is completely different)

    A scheme this overt and this synchronized is simply unrealistic, imo.

    If you are Lou Dibella... and Al Haymon... and Eddie Hearn... you have multi multi million dollar operations, you make millions of revenue every year, its a career that you will be in until you retire and ride off into the sunset... these guys like Wilder and Ortiz... they are just flavor of the month pawns to you. You have had big money fights again and again, and you will continue to do blockbuster fights long after guys like Wilder are retired and the next flavor of the months are manuevered into potential superfights.

    To think the industry, smart men who know their position and know the game of boxing and plan on dominating it for as long as they can, would risk their entire empires, risk losing it all, risk prison, ect ect... to overtly fix matches to set up one fight, its just unrealistic. Between hacked messages, bitter fighters, fighters getting too drunk and leaking the secret, fighters telling their mrs and the mrs leaking it after a bad breakup, fighters writing tell all books after they retire, fighters trying to turn the tables and blackmail for more money, the list is endless of the very real possibilities of such a scheme unravelling.

    These guys are too smart to risk a consistently succesful empire, empires they built with hard work, for one fight.

    Just saying well if it makes money it makes sense is too simple and is proven wrong time and again when big fights fall through because the star loses.

    Again thats not even getting into the idea that many millionaire champion level fighters that are actively in the mix would even be willing to take a dive.

    Its just not realistic man... just imo though I guess.
     
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  6. Tomato(e) Can

    Tomato(e) Can Emmanuel Dapidran Pacquiao. banned Full Member

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    What you fail to realize is the human factor. Any pugilist can claim the shot wrecked them and really can debate the legitimacy of the blow. Even a cuffing shot can be debilitating. So it's quite easy to take a dive in the ring.
     
  7. slender4

    slender4 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    How exactly was Mayweather-Ortiz fixed?

    And did Shane momentarilly forget the script when he kept bombing Floyd on the chin in round 2?
     
  8. Bustajay

    Bustajay Feel the Steel/Balls Deep Full Member

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    Good Points
     
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  9. kirk

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    That pulling off a believable dive is hard, was a tertiary point of the post. Of course its possible to pull of a dive. Its just not as easy as people think. The primary point is that boxing shot callers are too smart and have too much at stake to risk their empires for one fight trying to execute a conspiracy that has a dozen legitimate ways of falling apart.
     
  10. Tomato(e) Can

    Tomato(e) Can Emmanuel Dapidran Pacquiao. banned Full Member

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    Could also be that boxing is just that corrupt, and under the radar, that would make it rather easy for the shot callers to execute an elaborate scam. I mean, just think about how little outcry there was when Mayweather received the TUE. And this is a fight the world watched.
     
  11. Bustajay

    Bustajay Feel the Steel/Balls Deep Full Member

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    I'm talking about the guy in the article not the POSTER
     
  12. Tomato(e) Can

    Tomato(e) Can Emmanuel Dapidran Pacquiao. banned Full Member

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    LOL!

    Are you seriously asking how May-Ortiz was fixed?

    You think it was just a coincidence that Shane rocked Floyd hard and then followed up with pitty patter shots and proceeded to let Floyd walk him down the rest of the fight? And yeah, Shane threw that right hook with a tad too much mustard on it.
     
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  13. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    Simple question: Was the Wilder vs Scott fight fixed? Do you think from the video evidence we have that Scott was legit KOed by a punch that didn’t even land? It isn’t like we haven’t seen that exact scenario before with Mike Tyson and Bruce Seldon. It is easier to do than you are giving it credit for. Full disclosure I do not think tonight’s fight is ‘rigged’ or a ‘fix’. But, it has happened before with Wilder. There lies the problem and why people are asking these questions.
     
  14. Jim Jeffries

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    I think it's Malik Scott having no heart and didn't wanna go through the fight getting beat up and hurt than it being fixed.
     
  15. kirk

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    I absolutely think Scott threw the fight. That doesnt mean he was coerced to do so, or even that anyone else but him knew he was going to do it.

    Almost every case of a perceived legitimate dive come from fringe contenders. And in all those instances it as likely as the fighter threw the fight on his own accord and independent of any establishment rigging (fighters that do throw fights are often mid tier fighters, that often make big money by having large bets placed on the round they themselves know they will be going down in)

    Just because a fighter throws a fight, doesnt mean there was an industry conspiracy to throw the fight. And just because in the history of boxing, there are examples of some fringe fighters throwing fights, doesn't set a realistic precedent to every matchup being suspect (imo)

    That being said... this is boxing, do I think theres systemic corruption? Absolutely. Do I think that there is a possibility of shot callers making top fighters take dives? Its possible.

    Is it probable or realistic enough to go around assuming or even being highly skeptical of high profile matchups between top 5 fighters being staged?

    Not imo.