Could Tyson box off the backfoot/standing up?

Showing a jab and good technical skills as you pressure the guy does not make you a boxer. In fact, it's what's expected of the best aggressors/ pressure fighters.

Any time Tyson has been unable to pressure a guy and back him up, he's looked bad, if not nearly impotent. He wasn't a boxer.

 

100% correct.

 

See this is why your an idiot. Not all pressure fighter's use the jab and have good technical skills. Julio Cesar Chavez didn't always use a jab and David Tua didn't either. Tyson in the "Rooney era" was a good boxer, he could outjab men who were bigger than him. Your basing your opinion on the later version and Mike Tyson and you sound really stupid.

 

Gee, that's nice to know, but no one's said anything about "all" pressure fighters, I said THE BEST ones.

Chavez used his jab quite often and quite well. In fact he was far closer to being a boxer at times in his career than Tyson ever was.

You think TUA is one of the best pressure fighters?? LOL, look who's calling other people idiots. atsch

No I'm not. And you're basing your opinion of me on an assumption about me rather than anything I've actually said.

 

It would be kinda of hard for Tyson to box like Ali, mostly most guys would have reach and height over Tyson(He was a short guy)

It would be like ask Marciano or Joe Frazier to start out boxing people.

 

Uh I never said Tua was one of the all time great pressure fighter. I was just using him as an example of a pressure fighter idiot. And if you think Tyson was never a boxer, how can you say Julio was? I don't know what fight's you are watching but Julio didn't really use the jab when coming in.

Here's what Steve Farhood wrote about how much of a "boxer" Chavez was
"He's only 5'7" and his skills are average, but he's the most determined fighter I've ever seen. He doesn't jab his way in, he walks straight in. He'll walk right into the lion's den, right up to the lion. In cutting the ring, he'll take chances. He knows he has to. He has the ability to take the shots a guy's going to give him when he's coming in. He's probably got the best chin in boxing."

 

He could and did when he was younger.Against guys like Tucker,Ribalta and even Pinklon Thomas,Tyson did not have things all his own way and had to use skill rather than just bore in with big shots.Holyfield was a differant matter,he would always have struggled against Evander because of the speed accuracy and ability to take a shot and fire straight back.The Lewis fight is a bad example for anyone to use,not only was Mike past his best,he had no real intention of fighting to win for more than 3 rounds.When Lennox was still there after this he could pretty much do as he pleased.The fight would have been much harder against a young Mike who would have sustained pressure on Lewis for at least the first 5 rounds,if this did not bring about a Ko or stoppage he would be 5 rounds up and Lennox would really have a job on getting back in the fight,especially as Tyson back then would slip punches like Lewis`s jab instead of just taking them,as a young fighter thats where the skills came in,a big guy who is still there at the half way point(Tucker is an example)stop trying to ko him and box a bit,slip punches land his own jab and win by desicion,if that ment going on the back foot a little he could and did.

 

Tyson could bite off the back foot,bite off the front foot, he could even bite your ear off, the man was versatile! A real Hungry fighter!

 

Then you weren't addressing my post, because I wasn't talking about just "a" pressure fighter, I clearly said THE BEST ones.

So what was your point?

Because he won several fights at jr. lightweight by getting up on his toes and fighting on the retreat, or by countering off the ropes.

Maybe not as much coming in, but he used in the fights when he circled and backed up.

So what?? Manny Stewart who trained Chavez at one time said he was a very good boxer.

What about all the writers who said Tyson was one-dimensional and couldn't box?? atsch

You made a big stink before about what fights I watch, meanwhile you're looking to a sportswriter's blurb for "proof."

Why not make your determination on Chavez from actually WATCHING his fights??

 

first of all anyone who laces up a pair of gloves and throws a simple jab + right hand is in essence, boxing . So yes, tyson was a boxer.

You could consider him a pressure fighter, but he was more then that. He could box on the outside if he wanted or needed to.

Here's footage of him outboxing James Tillis in a sparring match:



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You don't have to fight off of the backfoot to be considered a boxer. A guy like Lennox Lewis or holmes, I would call 'traditional boxers.' Tyson wasn't a boxer in that sense, but he absolutely could box if he wanted to -- and he outboxed taller, lengthier opponents all of the time.

 

This is a stupid discussion, as you guys are just agreeing while arguing semantics, but saying not all pressure fighters have good technical skills and then mention Julio Cesar Chavez is not the best of methods.