could we all be 'high' off the Guerrero fight?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Macwitdacheese, Aug 5, 2013.


  1. Is Floyd still that great and quick or is Robert that undeserving of being in with a fighter of Floyds caliber? :huh
     
  2. DeadLikeMe

    DeadLikeMe Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'd argue Manny should fight Guerrero in his next fight and prove this TR/GBP beef was all a ruse so Floyd could duck the almighty Pacman. He beats guys better than Floyd did, right? I'd love to see Pac in with a strong southpaw like Guerrero. The results would be devastatingly hilarious, Pac's arsenal is next to worthless against southpaws.
     
  3. Pacs handspeed will be too much for Robert. You still didn't answer the question and brought up Pac :patsch :tired :verysad
     
  4. Collie

    Collie Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I try not to read too much into the Guerrero fight.

    Saying that, I think it was a bit of both: It did show that Mayweather's legs aren't gone (when he decides to use them) and also that Guerrero just was never really good enough to begin with.
     
  5. DeadLikeMe

    DeadLikeMe Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Guerrero had his personal problems over the years, but the guy maintained his ranking. Forgive me for reading your angle so easily. Guerrero hadn't lost in 7 years. Find me a more credible welterweight opponent for that fight.
     
  6. Agreed! I don't know when's the last time anyone used Robert as a measuring stick for Flours abilities.
     
  7. Lol my angle? I had no intention of bringing Manny aboard this thread at all. But you did :yep
     
  8. Collie

    Collie Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Guerrero is decent but was somewhat lucky in that he was around when there weren't many other viable opponents around. Most people said they would be happy with Guerrero as an opponent only if Mayweather fought Canelo in September, which is happening. There weren't and aren't many viable contenders left at WW for Floyd.

    Pacquaio - Should but wont happen
    Bradley - Is with TR
    Marquez - TR and no need for a rematch
    Kell Brook - Very untested, nearly lost to Carson Jones.
    Berto - Exposed by Guerrero and especially by Soto Karass (that victory diminished Guerrero's win over him a little also, in hindsight.)
    Maidana - Good fighter but not 'A' level, similarly to Guerrero
    Alexander - Possible future opponent but most people would hate this match-up.
    Khan - Another possible opponent but one who hasn't fought at 147 yet.
    Thurman - Still young and raw, certainly not in contention for May's last fight (before Chaves and Zaveck breakthrough fights) but possibly a future opponent.

    So I agree there aren't many credible opponents, but that doesn't mean that Guerrero is any more skillful. It was due to lack of other options rather than Guerrero's outstanding talent that got him the fight.
     

  9. Wow you nailed it. Now with that said, will Floyd look as spectacular against Canelo as he did against Robert?

    Floyd relies heavily on speed as part of his defense. I don't think hes that quick above 147. Still quick. Yes. As quick? No.
     
  10. Hitta_Squadup

    Hitta_Squadup Beast ***e Full Member

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    I mean Mayweather is undoubtedly the best welter today, will definitely be an ATG, and HOF'er has one of the best defenses in the history of the sport, has an ultra high ring IQ and is undefeated, yet just because he neutralized Robert it now means The Ghost was never good? That dorsnt make much sense because I'm confident that RG can beat quite a few guys currently at the top of 147...

    People discredit Floyd to the point that it just waters down the entire sport, a fighter loses hes a **** fighter and if you lose to Floyd you were a cherry pick...why even watch boxing, I mean when Floyd does retire that just means we're left watching trash fighters I guess...
     
  11. Scar

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    Always said Guerrero had no chance in hell because he's not prepared for someone like Mayweather.
     
  12. Hitta_Squadup

    Hitta_Squadup Beast ***e Full Member

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    The Berto Soto Karass fight did not diminish RG's win, Berto fought Soto-Karass with one arm for most of the fight, dropped him with a body shot, which he didn't drop RG, and the judges had it a draw after 11 so he could have possibly won had he won round 12...

    Robert gave Berto a worse beating, dropped him twice all while moving up two divisions...and Berto had no chance of winning a decision...I also pick Guerrero to kick Soto-Karass' ass if they ever fight which they should next, I would like to see it...
     
  13. Collie

    Collie Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not being good enough to beat Mayweather doesn't mean Guerrero was never any good. He was/is a top 5-10 WW. Its actually a compliment to how good Mayweather is, not discrediting him, when he beats decent guys with such ease and predictability.

    It's clear Guerrero wasn't in Mayweather's league and nobody much was giving him any chance before the fight, and that's the way the fight played out. It's not discrediting or watering down the sport, its just a fact that a very decent fighter in Guerrero wasn't good enough to trouble a HOF/ATG fighter. No shame in that and that's why I don't feel the need to overanalyse what was a pretty routine fight for Mayweather.
     
  14. Phanekim

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    guerrero sucks balls he got lucky with those two kd early against berto otherwise he was dead even with berto if not losing on cards.

    same berto who had soto karass ko him.

    yeah so i think some fans are high on mayweather. not saying he's not best p4p but the guerrero victory meant nothing like some of his other victories.
     
  15. Collie

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    I'd pick Guerrero to beat Soto Karass too. But almost everybody had Karass ahead before the stoppage, the judges scorecards were highly questionable and Berto did that stupid shoulder-roll in the Guerrero fight. I don't think Karass is a top top WW, I do think that his win further highlighted that Berto was over-rated. It was still a good win for Guerrero, probably one of his best.