Could Wright-Williams turn out to be another Hopkins-Pavlik??

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  1. DINAMITA

    DINAMITA Guest

    I really like Paul Williams, and I have high hopes for him and his career.


    However, I fear he may have made a big mistake agreeing to fight Winky Wright.

    There are manifest similarities between this and the Bernard Hopkins v Kelly Pavlik fight, and I have a nasty feeling it may turn out the same way.


    - Williams is the taller man, giving people the impression that he is bigger than Wright, but Williams has only fought at Wright's weight once, he has not become accustomed to fighting at that weight, and has certainly never faced anyone in Wright's league at that weight
    same as Pavlik for Hopkins


    - Compared to Wright, Williams is relatively unproven. His resume is based on a couple of good wins (Margarito, Phillips, Quintana), but he has only recently been p4p ranked and he does not have the nous or the experience that going to the well often over a number of years gives you, which Wright undoubtedly has (wins over Trinidad, Mosley twice, Quartey strong performances against Taylor and Hopkins)
    same as Pavlik (two wins over Taylor) for Hopkins (wins over Trinidad, Wright, Tarver, De La Hoya, strong performance against Calzaghe)


    - Williams will be the favourite to win, as he is younger, fresher, more active, and a harder-hitter. His career is one on the upward-trajectory, while Wright is coming off a defeat and his career seems to have stalled as he is getting old now and it is unclear where he can go from here. For Williams, this fight is viewed as a stepping-stone, beating a big name to increase awareness of him as an emerging force - could he become the 1st man to stop Wright??
    same as Pavlik for Hopkins


    - Williams is taking on a defensive master here, it is the stylistic battle of the young, rangy powerpuncher against the old, more skilled counterpuncher. Wright has the perfect defensive style to give anyone and everyone a horrible night. I mean, when was the last time anyone looked good beating Wright?? I think it was Julio Cesar Vasquez in 1994 when Wright was still green.
    same as Pavlik for Hopkins (the last time anyone looked good beating Hopkins was Roy Jones Jr in 1993 when Hopkins was still green



    Are alarm bells ringing for anyone else???????

    I think Williams has made a mistake. Choosing to fight a skilled and experienced defensive master at a weight you yourself are not experienced at is not a good idea, especially when this guy is coming off a loss and is perceived to be at a low point in his career.

    Could this be another Hopkins-Pavlik?
     
  2. BENNY BLANCO

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    It has crossed my mind. But I do believe that Williams will throw alot of punches in Winky guard like Solimon did to cruise to a close but clear UD win.
     
  3. warrior85

    warrior85 R.I.P THUNDER Full Member

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    it depends on winky&how much he has left after such a long lay off,im taking winky by ud.
     
  4. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Stylistically whether winky was prime or not... Paul would be a nice challenge for him (not saying pwill would beat winky prime or now) but regardless of the time paul williams has the skills to make it interesting.. i just cant see winky pot shotting himself to a ud
     
  5. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Winky Wright is no Bernard Hopkins. Please don't dissrespect Hopkins by comparing Wright to him. Onto the fight, Williams has actually fought quite a few fights at 160(he's actually fought 10 times at MW compared to 7 for Winky). So I believe that he his comfortable fighting at that weight. Williams seems to be getting better and better with every fight. I believe his power will carry very well at 160. Winky is a tremendous fighter and is definately a more skilled fighter than Williams. However, I believe Winky struggles with awkward fighters.

    So in this fight, the good news for Winky is that he's more experienced and more skilled than his foe. The bad news is that although he is supposedly the bigger man, his opponent is much taller than him, and he doesn't have the power to knock out his opponent. Williams is also an awkward fighter with a high activity level, Williams could really pile up the points when Winky goes into that turtle shell defense. Let's also not forget that Winky is 37, hasn't fought in almost 2 years and has reportadly been walking around at around 200 lbs. as of late.

    In the end, this is one of those fights that I hate to pick a winner for. There are way too many variable factors at work here. Winky is the better, more experienced fighter, and he has the defense to neutralize Williams' offense. On the other hand, Williams could very well win this fight on activity as he will we coming in from all sorts of angles and won't be deterred by Wright's power.
     
  6. D.Will

    D.Will Active Member Full Member

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    heeeellllllllll no.

    pavlik had no movement...hopkins had movement.

    williams can fight in more ways then just straight forward. winky doesnt have the same legs as hopkins at this stage...well he sure didnt seem to in his last fight
     
  7. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Quite a tough fight to predict.

    Winky-Wright is of course a very schooled operator. The scary thing for Williams is how he performed in Quintana I, against a lesser, smaller southpaw. I do see differences though, I never think of Wright as an outstanding counterpuncher. Also his footwork is a bit static recently. He'll try to dictate things with his jab and his own volume.

    In Williams' favour is Wright's inactivity, ballooning in weight and age. Williams work-rate should be greater. He should be quicker, younger and he's in better recent form. He may have more desire and hunger.

    I would go for Williams by decision, thats my insinct on the fight but I wouldn't bet a stack.
     
  8. Mon43

    Mon43 Member Full Member

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    Hmm, interesting, Did Calzaghe make a mistake fighting Hopkins then, would he have been within his rights to refuse this fight? Or does the fact that he went up against a skilled and experienced defensive master at a weight that he was not familiar with, and won, mean that he is deserving of more praise than you have deigned to credit him with. Especially given the other variables, location, nationality of judges.

    But let us not turn this into yet another Calzaghe thread :D

    Wright has not fought for a long time, and at his age ring rust is hard to overcome. In recent fights, at least IMO, he has moved slightly away from the defence that has been his forte, is throwing a lot more punches. The time out of the ring may mean he goes back to his older style, as a means of conserving energy, and may give him a better chance of victory. if he opens up against the physically impressive Williams he may struggle to last the 12.

    If Winky is anywhere near his best it will be a very intersting fight and a more than reasonable test of Williams credentials.

    The younger generation needs a win after Pavlik lost so badly to Hopkins. I fear howver that if he wins too well it will be downplayed as beating an old man and if he struggles, which is likely he wil be criticised.

    Would really liked to have seen Winky in a tune up to gauge his level.
     
  9. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If Winky visited the gym regurarly in the last 1,5 years, Williams is in for a similar start as last year. Winky lost a close fight at 170 as the pound-for-pound 2nd best fighter. Compare his and Pavlik's performance vs. the old man. Also, Winky's style is extremely hard to fight against and the Quintana fight is not a good sign for Paul.

    On the other hand, injury, time-off, age (38!!!), coming down in weight - it all favours Williams, and Winky being shorter and 10 years older won't help him either.
     
  10. heart

    heart Active Member Full Member

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    Winky Wright is one of the best boxers of the last decade. That being said in his last outing he looked bad and his layoff is what, like 2 years? If winky was in his prime i would pick him by UD...and I'm a big williams fan.

    And the idea that the fight is happening at Winky's weight isn't really a considerable factor considering winky fought mostly at light middleweight...and williams is a huge welterweight. The size difference won't be what makes the fight. We all know wright can bang with the big guys (hopkins, taylor).

    I think this fight will depend soley on how the ring rust affects wright.
     
  11. buckdacious

    buckdacious Sin~City punks!!! Full Member

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    williams in a laugher!!! then he calls out VF for a huge battle
     
  12. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I doubt it. Winky is probably washed up now, I wouldnt be surprised if he still made it close though. Williams is the most overrated hyped fighter on this forum and not NEARLY as good alot of ppl think.

    I wish Paul was facing the Wright that beat Mosley the first time. That Winky Wright would have beat the **** outta Williams.
     
  13. heart

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    C'mon man winky wright is just as technically sound as hopkins. Both men managed to basically shut-out tito and wright also managed to beat Taylor (however you scored either) more convincingly than Hopkins.
     
  14. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Get the hell out of here with that garbage. Wright is not as technically sound as Hopkins, let's not try to pretend otherwise.

    This **** means nothing. Pavlik beat Taylor more convincingly than Hopkins. What happened when they fought eachother? Who would you say is the better, more technically sound fighter between Pavlik and Hopkins? What happened to Winky's ass when he took on the Living Legend? It was pretty obvious who was the more technically sound fighter in that fight. Winky was so distrought that he went missing for almost two years.
     
  15. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No, Wright is no Hopkins in the skill deparment. Hopkins is a more versatile, and skilled fighter than Wright could ever dream to be.

    The versions of Tito that Wright and Hopkins beat were different. Hopkins beat a prime, motivated Tito at a time when Tito was considered a top 3 P4P fighter. Winky beat a past it Tito who looked like he barely cared anymore.

    And the ONLY reason I think Hopkins struggled twice with Taylor was because B-Hop at that point was drained a 160. If they had a rubber match at 170 now, I'd pick Hopkins w/o hesitiation.