Could WW Maywether have ever beaten Montreal Duran

I don't understand why Montreal Duran would be seen as a myth. Some nights the stars all align and a fighter just take it to another level. See Frazier 1st fight with Ali, Curry v Mccory, Ali v Williams, Holmes v ****ey, Louis v Smeling. 2nd fight, and the list goes on. Douglas v Tyson?. Tyson v,Berbick. Camacho V Ramirez ....

 

Wrong on all counts.

I have never gone to any mods about anything. I have been banned once since last year ( not multiple times ) for foul and abusive language to a poster.

And you were banned for making a ***ual remark about a child, no wriggling and squirming, THAT is what you were banned for. They call people like you nonces, and rightly so.:good

 

I agree with your basic premise but not some of the examples.

Curry was super sharp against McCrory but Milt was like a deer frozen in the headlights that night. He was dreadful and absolutely choked. Of course Curry would have beaten ay version of him that came in.

Holmes fought a very nice fight against ****ey but hindsight tells us ****ey was one of the more overhyped fighters ever and he was also rusty with inactivity. If Larry was more aggressive the fight would have been over a lot earlier but he took the path of least risk and put on a very nice display. With all taken into account I don't however think he rose above some of his other displays.

Love your example of Douglas - Tyson tho, regardless of what version of Tyson did or didn't turn up Douglas put all his formidable tools together and also displayed the heart, determination and poise no-one thought he had.

 

Douglas is the only example that actually works.

I say that the idea of Montreal Duran is a myth because I think that people improperly credit him with things that were actually strategic and tactical errors on the part of Leonard (e.g. all the people here who sincerely think that he magically prevented Leonard from using his legs).

 

Yes, i agree it wasn't 100% Duran as to why SRL planted the feet.

I fall toward a more middle ground in that i believe Duran did (or would have) make it tough to move but i also believe SRL absolutely made the decision early to pound it out.

This was of course mostly due to Duran riling him up bigtime in a pre fight plan that deserves much credit.

I will say this could well be the most motivated, focused and single minded Duran we ever saw. He was absolutely amazing irregardless of how Sugar Ray rolled.

It was a hard lesson but SRL learned it well and came out the other side a greater fighter. What a super fight, and while Duran got the chocolates Leonard proved he had immense heart and grit. He answered almost as many questions as Duran did.

 

The best most intelligent posters on this forum don't agree with your opinion. Your up there with black boxer biased idiots like N N and Pimp C. You've already been ruined on this subject multiple time.

 

So just to get this straight for the last time. Your own hero Leonard states that Duran dictated the way their Montreal fight was fought, but you think you know more than he does about a fight he was involved in.

Yup, that's about right for you. :roll::roll:

 

You do realise that at 135 and below Duran stopped more men than Mayweather fought in his entire career? So why are you mentioning Mayweather's allegedly " vaunted " power at 130?

 

He is obsessed to the point of arguing with the protagonist who lost the fight crediting Duran for his tactics.

It doesn't get much more moronic than that.:nut

Similar I'm afraid to all the idiot Tyson freaks who make pathetic excuses for their boy in the Douglas fight when the guy himself gave Buster all due credit for the win whilst making no excuses himself, despite the rantings of that subhuman filth KING.

 

Up to yoir old tricks again? Leonard made it completely clear prefight that his (misguided) game plan was to stand toe to toe and beat Duran at his own fight. At your request, I posted footage of the fight and explained in detail how Leonard's approach was obvious from the opening bell and differed from his other fights against physical, dangerous opponents. This was too much for you to handle so you refused to watch the footage you requested and went back to your dumb & dishonest slogans and name-calling.

 

Like who?

 

Now you are simply bare faced LYING. Leonard gave credit to Duran for the way he dictated the strategy and pace of the Montreal fight. I don't give a flying fuk what you claim he said in the build up to the second fight.

What you did in fact also try to claim is Leonard LOST the first 5 rounds to Hearns, due to back peddling, and the footage, and indeed the commentary clearly showed he won the 3rd round. You were proven wrong then, as indeed you are now.

You did NOT give a breakdown of how Leonard adopted the wrong strategy at all. You merely gave your fan boy opinion which served to do nothing other than contradict Leonard who claimed Duran's strategy FORCED him to fight that way.

 

If I show you that Leonard said this before the first fight, will you be classy enough to apologize...?

You sound silly. The main point was that he back peddled & circled throughout the 5 rounds, in stark contrast to how he fought Duran. I take it you don't dispute that? I scored all 5 rounds for Hearns; the judges mostly agreed but gave him round 3 (and I understand the case for giving round 3 to Leonard even though I disagree). What is your point? If you want to see how Leonard used his legs against other fighters, here are a few clips:
https://streamable.com/9f58 (Hearns)
https://streamable.com/325p (Duran II)
https://streamable.com/uzi1 (Hagler)
https://streamable.com/dcor (Green)

I could come up with many, many more if I wanted. If you think that Leonard tried to do this stuff against Duran but was rendered unable by Duran's super skills, you live in a fantasy world and DKSAB.

I've never been a huge fan of Leonard's let alone a fan boy. I explained things to you very clearly but you couldn't handle it so you just threw your hands over your ears and starting spouting your usual nonsense again. But if you want to see what I was talking about and you're too lazy or obstinate to watch the whole fight, just watch the opening seconds:
https://streamable.com/k0a0
:hi:

 

Ok, valid point, Leonard did make the fight easier for Duran. But that shouldnt be held against Duran or his performance.

 

Some of us are almost equally as tired of you trying to sell this story that SRL fought dumb and Duran didn't nothing to take away his legs. You claim to have watched the fight recently, but the way you talk I find it hard to believe sometimes.

1. Did you miss the first round where SRL was moving more than he did in rounds 2 - 5/6. He was doing his usual boxer puncher routine that WAS HE EXACT STYLE. I posted the clips in the other thread, which you saw but didn't address. The clearly show that you don't seem to understand how SRL fought up to that point. He tried that exact style with Duran again in round 1. Then round two happens and

2. SRL is visibly hurt and stunned. He even comments that it took him about 4 or 5 rounds to recover. Now what happens when people get hurt? Sometimes game plans go out the window and you just try and survive. Some people like to cover up and move, others like to meet fire with fire. To not even see this affected and dictated how the rest of the fight might go in being disingenuous

3. Then you can see, after SRL clears his head some, he goes back to circling and moving more. Going back to his usual style of fighting. Problem was, he had already been hurt, so he was visibly reacting to most of Duran feints. Again, all because he was hurt that second round. He had to respect Duran's power and did so after that. You don't think SRL having to react to faints maybe change what he was able to do offensively? It questionably did

4. More to the point, In Re: Point No. 2. You can hear the commentators talking about how Duran is pounding his body as SRL was trying to recover. He got pounded on in rounds 2-6 to the body. The even commentate he can take this for long and it will affect things later. He was also stunned in round 3 and visibly covering up and hurt again. Again he takes more pounding on the ropes. But surely, that couldn't have affected how SRL moved right? Please.

Put it this way, I'm not saying Duran totally took SRL legs away so he couldn't move. What I am saying is, he strategy was NEVER to move like he did in fight no. 2 AND that he almost never EVER fought that way in general. So why would you expect him to fight a way that he's never really done before in the biggest fight on his life? That's a re****ed line of logic. You'd fight with what got you there, and that certainly wasn't like in the second fight. Second, it was more Duran DICTATING the fight had to be fought that way than it was SRL just being dumb. The being hurt, it was already his strategy, the press conferences.... all make it clear it was more of Duran's doing that it went tha way than the opposite theory you seem to be peddling.