Counting BOTH their amateur runs AND pros, Who was more impressive? Usyk Or mayweather?

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Who Was More Impressive AND better For The Sport??

  1. Oleksandr Usyk

    62 vote(s)
    63.3%
  2. floyd

    39 vote(s)
    39.8%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    Again the thread title says who is more impressive not who is greater. You are the one who is having trouble coping lad. To deny that Floyd had very careful match making is just ridiculous. So you are saying that all 57 people who voted for Usyk are just hate driven? How big is your ego? LOL anyone who disagrees with your opinion is just hating yeah? Give it a rest and show Usyk some respect he is not inferior to any boxer past or present he represents everything good about the sport.
     
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  2. AdamT

    AdamT Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    He is inferior
    12 ranked wins vs 30 plus
    2 likely hof fighters vs over 8
    9 world titles vs 15
    Worse compubux numbers
    23-0 vs 50-0

    I'm not Albert Einstein, but the above is pretty conclusive

    Floyd did become a diva, but his divisions are way more stacked than usyks wins

    Give me usyks top 15 wins and their resume and I'll do the same

    Floyd and manny p** all over usyk. You and others Know this but driven by hate lol

    I'll let @Pimp C finish you off. Don't want another ban from the crybaby lol
     
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  3. CooperKupp

    CooperKupp “B.. but they all playin NBA basketball again!” Full Member

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  4. Fleisch3000

    Fleisch3000 New Member Full Member

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    Mayweather is retired

    Usyk is not yet. If he does another 6-7 years at highest level and keeps the 0 then maybe Usyk can overtake him.
     
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  5. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think only the following were ranked by ring magazine when Usyk fought them (Glowacki, Huck, Breidis, Gassiev, Joshua and Fury)
    I would probably add Hunter and Dubois and take out Huck. In any case its well below 12
     
  6. alakran

    alakran Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fury beat a Joshua who had been defeated by an obese man. He fought an obese fury who had been retired already. If Floyd fought those guys you would repeat that he fought aged men.
     
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  7. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That doesn't address anything that I said, and in no way negates that it is generally felt that he actually lost a fight or two.

    POST SCRIPT:

    Despite you impugning my integrity, I am not against anyone voting for Mayweather. I liked Floyd. It's just that there was a LOT of frustration with the ducking, the aging out, and yes, a couple of wins that probably should have been losses.
     
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  8. kirk

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    The whole 'he didnt take it serious' shtick is such a lame cope.

    No reigning world champion in history, especially one who had

    The height advantage
    The reach advantage
    The age advantage
    The weight advantage


    should have to 'take it seriously' with an mma fighter making his boxing debute, in order to win comfortably lol.



    As for Mayweather it was the complete opposite... Mayweather was a 40 year old, giving up the height, reach and weight, while having hands so brittle he couldn't even spar for the fight... and he still not only didnt get dropped, but actually stopped his guy.

    Comparing it to abn active and reigning Furys pitiful performance is laughable.
     
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  9. kirk

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    How can a career be more impressive, while simultaneously being less great.

    A career being greater would seem to generally imply it was more impressive.

    How is that not the case. Whose less great careers are 'more impressive' than other clearly superior and greater careers?
     
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  10. kirk

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    These.
    Imo.
     
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  11. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    It's all about interpretation I respect the way Usyk has gone about his career more than I do Mayweather but I will not deny that Mayweather is great and has a better resume on paper in the pro's but the thread title says counting amatuer and pro who is more impressive and my opinion it's Usyk. I like context it's the same reason I love Anthony Mundine as he had a great career considering he switched from Rugby League to boxing at 25 with no amatuer career and was able to become a 2 x world champion. I find that impressive. It’s like the kid being born with the silver spoon going on to graduate university or the kid that came from nothing to graduate university and be successful.
     
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  12. Serge

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    Usyk stepped into a boxing ring 373 times and only lost 15 times. Floyd stepped into one 143 times and lost 9 times and it would be at least 11 bare minimum if he even did twice in just 2 of his 50 fights what Usyk forged an entire career doing

    Of Usyk's 15 losses on the site I'm using 3 of them seem to be WO losses (walkover) meaning no fight actually took place and 8 of his losses came within the first 2 years of his career or at least from the earliest recorded results at 18 y/o and all of his losses bar one occurred during those first 37 months from then.

    When he'd actually completed his apprenticeship and really learned how to fight and became Usyk he only lost once in the last five years of his amateur career (or just under it) despite taking up the sport way way later than Floyd.

    Floyd lost six times in the last 26 months of his amateur career despite being raised and groomed to be a great by world champions and world class pros from the crib.

    Floyd had 20 years and five weight classes to achieve becoming undisputed in just one of them but he never did it once. Usyk did it twice in 2 divisions all in his opponent's backyard or one the road on a deck stacked against him.

    Usyk never had the option to become a five-weight champion, let alone in his home country like have gloves won't travel Floyd did, because there was only one legit weight class North of the one he turned pro at

    What was the most amount of weight and reach Floyd ever conceded to one of his opponents?

    Usyk is fighting giants and savage punching giants who hold huge or obscene physical advantages over him, in their backyards or on the road, who are at full strength not crippled at the negotiating table with catchweights and rehydration clauses.

    Floyd turned pro at 19 y/o, Usyk didn't even take up the sport until he was 15 y/o. Just think about that for a minute.

    Of course Floyd is going to have beaten more world champions and won titles in more divisions than Usyk when there are weight classes every 5-7lbs for him to conquer and he turned pro way younger than Usyk and was still growing when he turned pro :facepalm:

    What's more impressive?

    Floyd becoming a five-weight champ all in his home country after being groomed from the crib to be a great by world champions and world class pros, stacking the deck, crippling opponents with catchweights and rehydration clauses, whilst clearly jousting PEDs up his ass to help him bridge the gap to become a multi-weight champ

    Or Usyk becoming an Olympic, World Amateur, European gold medalist, undisputed at CW and HW, winning all his gold medals on the road, winning and unifying all his world titles in his opponent's backyards sans one which was still on the road, never having home advantage for any of his fights at the world level sans arguably one, with zero deck-stacking, and fighting way bigger giants at FULL STRENGTH with zero trying to weaken or cripple them with catchweights and rehydration clauses at the negotiating table, after taking up the sport at 15 y/o?

    Floyd would never have dared do once what Usyk does religiously at the drop of a hat. Usyk would've fought prime versions of everyone Floyd fought and ducked in their backyards. Floyd would never have done the same and every single one of you knows this too.
     
  13. Serge

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    And isn't it funny how we don't hear a single peep from the Belly lost to a MMA fighter brigade about Roy's best win James Toney clearly losing to a club fighter before Roy officially at least took Toney's 0?

    Toney lost to that club fighter because he lacked discipline and was dead at the weight even though he fought at that exact same weight just 2 months later and then again 4 months after that

    But when Roy beats a Toney who was very noticeably as flat as a pancake and listless as hell and who never fought at the weight ever again in his life Roy beat the best version of him :facepalm:
     
  14. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Every boxing fan on the planet should. The fact that Floyd fans don't speaks volumes.
     
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  15. panchman69

    panchman69 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fury is known to not take fight serious, so you can try ink whatever you want on that.
    It’s funny how you
    Bring up Floyd being smaller but don’t give usyk credit for being the smaller fighter and basically clearing the heavyweight division and also cleaning out cruiser weight. That’s something mayweather would never dare to do. Mayweather waited for the best opportunities to make big money while also having a great chance to win as for usyk, he chased greatness.