Counting BOTH their amateur runs AND pros, Who was more impressive? Usyk Or mayweather?

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Who Was More Impressive AND better For The Sport??

  1. Oleksandr Usyk

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    63.3%
  2. floyd

    39 vote(s)
    39.8%
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  1. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Nobody disregards Usyk being smaller. You disregard Floyds entire resume of elite/world class wins on the false belief he didn't fight any live boxers. Beating an old Oscar De La Hoya who had all the a side and physical advantages is historically better than a win over joshua. How is it not ?
     
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  2. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    I've lost count of the amount of Usyk and Crawford interviews I've watched.

    I couldn't even tell you how many of times Crawford has been introduced by the interviewer as the P4P king

    It's either

    ''I'm here with the P4P king''

    ''I'm here with the P4P #1''

    I think I've only ever seen this happen with Usyk once, possibly twice

    Why?

    Crawford has very often been the much bigger guy, vert rarely the smaller guy, extremely rarely if ever at all the much or way smaller guy, has never been at a reach advantage in any of his world title fights, let alone at a big or huge one.

    He's barely fought any legit punchers, especially ones his size, let alone savage punching KO artists, let alone ones bigger, much or way bigger than him

    How many legit bangers/KO artists has Crawford fought?

    How many has he fought who were bigger, much or way bigger than him? The answer is 0

    How many has he even fought his size?

    I can only think off 2. Egis and Madrimov and Egis dropped him


    41 of his 42 fights were in his home country

    Every foreign world champion he's fought sans Burns had to bring their world titles to him and fight him on a deck heavily stacked in his favour even when he was the challenger and they were the world champions

    IIRC, He's had US refs for every single one of his fights and a scandalous amount of US judges

    The lone time he fought outside the US against Burns the ref was from the US (Puerto Rico) and all three judges were from neutral countries and Burns was the champ not him

    All of Crawford's other world title fights against foreigners

    Gamboa - ref and all three judges from the US
    Beltran - ref and all three judges from the US
    Jean - ref and all three judges from the US
    Postol - ref and 2 judges from the US, other judge neutral country
    Diaz - ref and all three judges from the US
    Indongo - ref and 2 judges from the US, other judge neutral country
    Horn - ref and 2 judges from the US, other judge from Australia
    Khan - ref and 2 judges from the US, other judge neutral country
    Egis - ref and all three judges from the US
    Brook - ref and 2 judges from the US, other judge neutral country
    Avanesyan - ref and all three judges from the US
    Madrimov - ref and 2 judges from the US, other judge neutral country

    Why were all the officials for Crawford vs Burns from neutral countries?

    Now compare that to Usyk

    Total number of home refs for world title fights = 0

    Total number of home judges = 2

    Just look at the size disparity between Crawford and his opponents. Either Crawford is bigger or much bigger or there isn't a noticeable one at all and that goes for every weight class he's fought in. Even the ones where he's supposedly ''the smaller man'' or ''much smaller.'' The same is going to apply with his fight vs Clenelo despite it being Crawford's sixth weight class

    Now compare that to Usyk

    It shouldn't even be a debate and if Usyk was from the US I guarantee you it wouldn't even be one. Usyk is like the complete antithesis of Crawford when it comes to all of this but how many of these same supposed ''unbiased'' fans have Crawford P4P#1 over Usyk?
     
  3. OddR

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    If you asked who was better P4P the poll would probably be the reverse though.
     
  4. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'm unaware of any evidence of Floyd ever using rehydration clauses. His opponents were frequently heavier than him which makes that claim highly suspect.
    Also, how many of his fights had a catchweight. Only two that I am aware of (Marquez and Alvarez). Any other examples?
     
  5. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Canelo was supposed to have one but Alverez rejected it and the fight still happened. Canelo called Mayweather out for a 150 catchweight a couple years before and accepted the terms in negotiations, and both Canelos 154 titles were on the line. People claiming Canelo was drained have troglodyte brains
     
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  6. Serge

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    ''Canelo didn't look good yesterday''

    ''Problem is Floyd doesn't get tired and we've seen Canelo fade in fights before.. Having to take off that extra two pounds is.. people think it's just two pounds but when you already struggling to make 154 that extra two pounds is a lot. He [Canelo] is going to put on a lot of weight but he's not going to be able to put on the right kind of weight in just 24 hours. So he's gonna feel the fact that he's, you know, stripped his body, cutting his muscles to get to 152.''

    And guess who agrees about catchweights weakening opponents??

    “Like I said before, I’ve never fought a guy at a catchweight. I don’t fight guys at catchweights. I don’t plaster my gloves. These are things I don’t do, because I’m not that type of guy.”

    "I would never want to put a fighter in a position where he's not comfortable. I want a guy when he's at his best. If he's at his best at 154 and he's strong and he's solid, then that's the fight we're fighting at. I walk around at 150, but at the end of the day - skills pay the bills.... Give me the guys where they are comfortable at their weight so there are no excuses"

    "De La Hoya - Pacquiao fights him at a catchweight. Cotto - he fights him at a catchweight. When I fought De La Hoya I said 'give him to me at 154'. With Cotto - 'give him to me at 154'. Give me the guys where they are comfortable with their weight so there are no excuses"

    ''I look at Miguel Cotto as an undefeated fighter. He faced Pacquiao, but Pacquiao caught him at a catchweight. It wasn’t the best Miguel Cotto. He was drained; he wasn’t hydrated. Antonio Margarito was a guy who was cheating. I want him [Cotto] to be comfortable, to feel good when we meet to go into battle. I don’t want no excuses. So I’m going to go in there and be Floyd Mayweather. I’ve been there before and I know what it takes.”

    ---Floyd ''Money'' Mayweather

    Ad guess who else does

    'Ellberbe commented on Pacquiao’s catchweight win over Cotto in 2009, saying to ***** “He [Cotto] was a dead man walking when he went into the ring. The casual fan doesn’t know what difference one or two pounds can make when a fighter is already down to weight.”

    "That's one thing Floyd make perfectly clear to us," Ellerbe said. "He didn't want to fight him at a catchweight, he wanted to fight him at the weight. Sometimes, you don't get full credit when you fight at a catchweight. Floyd wanted to make sure Miguel was comfortable."
     
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  7. Pimp C

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    I seriously doubt it around here.
     
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  8. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    Fighters will make concessions for money it doesn't mean that it is fair. When you are cutting weight those last couple pounds are always the most brutal.
     
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  9. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    Usyk dominating with 62.8% :yaay:bananaride:b1:
     
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  10. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  12. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    But how much of a role did it play in the ring ? Age and a rehydration clause is one thing, this is an illusion. Canelos catch weight weight had no noticeable effect on fight night he was like 165 pounds
     
  13. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    Whether it played a role or not it was a dirty tactic with the intention of creating an advantage.
     
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  14. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    People that have alleged ducking and aging guys out haven't made a good argument to that effect. Some of these guys like De La Hoya and Mosley were fighting at different weight classes than Floyd during their primes and other guys were younger than Floyd like Cotto and Pacquaio which would have negated any advantage for Floyd in aging them out.

    Usyk spent much of his career fighting once a year. Shouldn't Floyd critics take issue with his inactivity?
     
  15. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Of course they have. You just want to hear them.

    Usyk had a period where he fought about once a year due to injuries, cancellations, and Tyson fury's foolishness. So sue him.
     
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