Counting BOTH their amateur runs AND pros, Who was more impressive? Usyk Or mayweather?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by CooperKupp, May 28, 2025 at 7:37 PM.


Who Was More Impressive AND better For The Sport??

  1. Oleksandr Usyk

    47 vote(s)
    59.5%
  2. floyd

    34 vote(s)
    43.0%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Usyk didn't even take up boxing until he was 15 y/o, Floyd was literally raised and groomed to be a world champion from the crib by world class boxers and world champions

    But despite this Usyk only suffered 6 more amateur loses than Floyd did despite Usyk having 257 more fights than him

    Usyk is more athletic, agile, and coordinated for a 200-220lb man than Floyd was for a 135-150-ish man, especially the 200-210lb prime version of Usyk who was a lot more so back then than he has been for a long time

    You shrink Usyk down to 135-150 odd pounds and he would make a cat look as athletic and agile as a hippo, you size Floyd up to 200-220lbs and he would be bang average in terms of athleticism, agility and speed

    Floyd has a 72'' reach and was extremely rarely at a reach disadvantage

    He never once fought outside the his home country (and STFU with the excuses for him never doing so because he could easily have done so) in his 50 pro fights

    And whilst he did indeed fight heavier men a lot of the time, let's not forget he crippled Clenelo at the negotiating table with a catchweight and the reason he did so is because he wanted him as weak as possible

    Let's not also forget his comments regarding catchweights prior to then because he literally told you that they cripple fighters and that he does not even consider catchweight wins as legitimate wins

    Usyk averages more punches per round at HW than Floyd did at WW despite the fact he's fighting giants who are not only way bigger. heavier, taller and more powerful than him but in Belly and AJ's case also have big/huge reach advantages over him which was extremely rarely if ever the case with Floyd

    Floyd averaged 40 a round at 147 and 50 at 130

    Usyk at CW

    He averaged 78 per round against Gassiev who was one of the sport's most devastating punchers, bare minimum top 5 P4P hardest punchers in the sport for sure

    He threw 905 punches against Hunter

    Averaged 78 a round against Huck in 10 rounds

    Threw 848 against Briedis

    Even up at HW he threw 712 in the AJ rematch

    Would Floyd have fought Manny in the Philippines, JLC and Clenelo in Mexico, Maidana in Argentina or even Hatton in the UK?

    Now ask yourself would Usyk have done so if he was the same weight as Floyd and fought in his era because we all know the answer to both those questions

    And we also all know he would have 2 losses bare minimum on that 'spotless' record of his and that he SHOULD have 2 losses

    One of whom to a fighter who Dosser Devon Alexander won every round against whilst Maidana was wearing the perfectly legal commission approved puncher's gloves which Floyd refused to allowed Maidana to wear

    And the other loss to JLC who had been stopped 4 x before

    Floyd was also almost KO'd on his feet by a PED free Shane who ever so strangely ran out of gas after 3 of 4 rounds without all his PEDs, including his energy boosting EPO. Imagine what the energizer version of Shane who fought Margarito would've done to Floyd? You already know

    Speaking of Margarito. Another of the numerous fighters Floyd shamelessly ducked, avoided or wouldn't fight prime versions of

    Let's not also forget that Floyd shamelessly ducked a prime Manny for 5 years and wouldn't go anywhere near him until he saw him get flatlined on the canvas on his face for an aeon and when he did eventually man up to face him ''Mr Clean Up The Sport'' (which of course was never about cleaning up the sport but rather a painfully transparent pretext for him to continue with his ducking of Manny) got caught using an illegal IV because he was supposedly ''dehydrated'' even though we all know that was a crock of poop and that he never blew up in weight.

    The reason he was using that illegal IV was to flush all the PEDs out of his system he'd jousted up his ass

    I can keep going

    Who cares about how many PPVs American Floyd sold in America he was terrible for the sport, he can't fight, and he's a talentless bum

    Usyk has literally sold out arenas and stadiums in every country he's fought in

    England
    Ukraine
    Russia
    Latvia
    America (wherever the hell that is?)
    Germany
    Saudi
    Poland

    His upcoming fight sold out 60,000 tickets in 24 hours in the spiritual, ancestral and rightful home of boxing not in some dump in Vegas

    Usyk represents every right, great and noble about the sport and he's much more naturally talented, skilled, courageous, and honourable than Floyd, Floyd everything wrong, rotten, and corrupt with it

    /thread

    Serge destroys
     
  2. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    In the real world he's undefeated though. If we are going to start changing results we can give Usyk a decision loss to Breidis and a kayo loss to Dubois.

    Margarito isn't good enough to qualify as a duck either. If Floyd ducked Margarito by that logic Usyk has ducked lots of guys. Floyd beat something like twice the number of contenders Usyk has.
     
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  3. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ruiz could easily make cruiserweight were he in decent shape. He outweighs Usyk due to being massively overweight.

    Sanders could obviously make cruiserweight with the new 200 pound limit.
     
  4. CooperKupp

    CooperKupp “B.. but they all playin NBA basketball again!” Full Member

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    There’s reality of what happened in guys careers and there’s using some sense and looking at actual FACTS.

    Of course you bring up Briedis. Lol :D Sure! Usyk got some serious work in that one but he clearly won. And he won way more clearly than mayweather did against Castillo in fight #1 ;)

    And there’s “Changing results” and BENDING THE RULES to fit your narrative and that’s all you are doing bringing up that mouth breather dumbois low blow calling it a ‘KO’ :lol::lol: I guess Golota shoulda got a KO against Bowe too while we’re at it! :lol:

    How many fights did floyd win overseas in his opponent’s backyards again???? Or ANY opponents backyard for that matter! Not just overseas. And let’s not count his ex wife’s backyard in this.
     
  5. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Why should I care where Floyd fought? Ratings are based on accomplishments in which Floyd has an overwhelming advantage. He beat roughly twice as many ranked opponents as Usyk and his top wins are better.
     
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  6. Grinder

    Grinder Dude, don't call me Dude Full Member

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    Usyk won gold, world championship, then unified CW fighting the best away from home in the super series, and then unified HW fighting bigger opponents.

    Mayweather won bronze, did not unify any divisions because he avoided fighters, including jumping straight over 140 where Tszyu, Hatton, Cotto were at their best weights, avoided the likes of Williams and Margarito at 147, fought way past prime SSM and still got clocked, and received A-side advantages such as catchweight with JMM where he came in way overweight against JMM who came up from 135, making Fatton fight at 147, avoiding Pac for years, losing clearly to JLC, contentious decision and struggle with Maidana, and fighting the likes of Conor McGregor as part of his record, notwithstanding highly suspicious PED results.
     
  7. CooperKupp

    CooperKupp “B.. but they all playin NBA basketball again!” Full Member

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    :applaudit::deal:

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  8. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If that were true, then he would have been undisputed.
     
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  9. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Lineage is generally valued over undisputed. Why should Floyd or anyone else care about the whims of sanctioning bodies?

    Agit Kabayel not holding a belt doesn't make him less of a threat than Wilder and Martin who both held belts
     
  10. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Lol, no. The years Fury was fighting Schwarz and Wallin, he was "lineal," and claimed those were defenses.

    Holmes became "lineal" when he beat zombie Ali.

    Rubbish.

    What you meant to say is that you would like to forward the idea that lineage is worth more than undisputed because it would help you make your argument. But it has no basis in reality.
     
  11. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yet past it Fury is Usyks best win. Who did Fury get a split decision against before he fought Usyk ?
     
  12. CooperKupp

    CooperKupp “B.. but they all playin NBA basketball again!” Full Member

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    WTF are you talking about? Lol Usyk was just as “Past it” as Fury was when they fought if you want to go that route. They both weren’t exactly prime anymore. Lol

    And Usyk’s best win is the schooling he gave a still VERY dangerous Gassiev to win the Ali trophy and undisputed at Cruiser. Second best win I’d say is beating a roided up Joshua riding a good win streak in fight #1 right in the UK. Joshua’s backyard. Lol

    Either way you attempt to spin it… Usyk beating a still VERY good HW champion who was 50lbs bigger and 5 inches taller with an insane reach advantage is more impressive than anything floyd did in his career. Including getting his 50th win against a 0-0-0 MMA fighter making his debut.
     
  13. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Joshua isn't even as good as Diego Corrales lol. Mayweather wasn't prime against Pacquiao or an undefeated Canelo either. If you consider Gassiev as Usyks best win we can just end this here
     
  14. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You are completely missing the point of the sub-conversation.
     
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  15. mrbigshot

    mrbigshot Active Member Full Member

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    Yes , of course there is a massive difference between usyk at CW and at HW . At CW he really had an remarkable legacy , at HW its mainly a propaganda show full of lies .