Cowards in the ring

Don’t forget the money on offer. Bruce Seldon wasn’t cowardly in a ring? Clifford Etienne wasn’t cowardly?

 

Point taken & perhaps or perhaps not, but then again, would it make the opinion itself less valid? I mean, I’m sure there’s lots of people who’ve said terrible things about Genghis Khan who might lose their nerve face to face with the man, no?

 

Well like I said, that’s for the individual to decide.

There are braver things done in life than step in a Boxing ring.

 

I didn’t have cowardice in mind LOL. Although I’m only moderately familiar with Khan’s story, I doubt he lacked for personal courage. He was certainly a piece of **** as a Human Being though. You tell him I said that if you ever see him I’ll wait here

 

I agree with that - but where’s the line? Boxers are criticised here in hundreds of ways daily, by fans who couldn’t do better. If I bought a car tomorrow & the steering wheel fell off, well I could do no better, so should I refrain from complaining?

I mean, just look at the fantasy matches as an example. Every member runs down the guy they’re picking against, from mildly to savagely. Yet how many of these members could take a punch better than Tommy Morrison, for instance? Probably fewer than we imagine when we think of Morrison’s chin.

 

That’s true, which is why I said it should come back to the individual to responsibly decide if they’re comfortable calling it. I mean, as I said earlier too, one can be both things at different times. I’m sure Seldon was brave somewhere, sometime in a ring. But against Tyson, that was pure gutless.

 

& really, I think it’s fair to hold a prize fighter to a higher standard than the average Joe, anyway. We all expect cops & fire fighters to be brave, don’t we? If a cop refused to put himself in danger even those who wouldn’t in the public would still be right to complain. I don’t see why fighters should be exempt. If someone isn’t comfortable with their own personal level of bravery, sure, don’t step into the discussion if you don’t want to. But a blanket ban on it when non-fighters routinely criticise Boxers in all sorts of ways daily seems nonsensical to me.

 

Likar Ramos. He played dead when JMM hit him.

 

Fair enough. I don’t call any fighter cowardly lightly. No sane person should. But if there’s been cowardice on battlefields (& there has been), it’s happened in a Boxing ring, too.

 

100%. For those of us who think Spinks lost his nerve completely against Tyson, we would still acknowledge he was never a fighter prior to that who showed to be lacking in spine. People are complicated, no one is all good or all evil, no one is all coward or all brave.

 

Wouldn't it depend on the culture though? People in Mexico have to deal with barbaric cartels that murder, torture innocent people on a daily basis. Someone who has had friends/family murdered by cartels might not find Tyson very threatening. He's a lot less brutal than cartel hitmen they deal with on a daily basis.

 

Luis Santana for working those fight endings with Terry Norris seemed rather cowardly. Worse, it worked and he got three payouts for his flopping.

 

McCall was embarrassing for the whole sport.

 

Mike Tyson for biting Holyfield.

he claimed he blacked out and was mad, but after he bit evander mills Lane walked up to him after he sent evander to the corner and Mills said «that will cost you 1 point» Mike said «he keeps butting me»

after Mills saw the bite Mills said «he bit him» mikes response was «it was a punch»

So while Mike was mad about the headbutt, he wasnt completly blacked out, if he was, the riot would happened after the first bite

 

I would'nt call Buster Douglas a coward at all; but he clearly quit vs Holyfield.

Not fear, more like he didnt give a fudge.