Cowards in the ring

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by newurban99, Sep 18, 2024.


  1. Ney

    Ney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I had an interesting thought recently that may be applicable to Boxers here…is it still bravery if you’re not afraid, but you are doing something that you know puts you in real danger? Kind of a tree falling in the woods sorta question. Is it brave if it’s dangerous, but you have no fear (like Boxing for someone who fights regularly), or does it only qualify as brave if you do something you’re really screaming internally to run from?
     
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  2. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I see this is a pointless argument with someone who shows all the telltale signs of the all too common militantly ignorant.
     
  3. BoB Box

    BoB Box "Hey Adam! Wanna play Nintendo?" Full Member

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    Says the person showing all the telltale signs of the all too common soft weak men who make excuses for other soft weak men.
     
  4. Ney

    Ney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I’m right in the middle on this one - I’d have to look at McCall’s specific case. I am totally over, & have been for years, hearing about, “depression” as a medical illness. Get real. Personal weakness has been downright pathologised in modern society. Tonnes of BS floating around about it.

    With that said, I don’t know McCall’s specific case. Of course there might be a legitimate reason he fell apart in that ring. I don’t know off-hand.
     
  5. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    he stood up to the Bronze Bomber though but not for long lol
     
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  6. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    Boxing is a job. Period.

    The boxing ring isn’t a theatre for the display either true life heroics or cowardice.

    Any fan who expects a fighter to unconditionally put his immediate and future health on the line is deluded.

    If you see displays of heroics above and beyond the call of the duty then consider yourself fortunate as a fan - because it is a “fan only”
    interpretation of heroism.

    Consider lesser displays to be those of mere mortals - not cowards.

    In fact, consider them to be above the average mere mortal for the fact of their climbing into the ring in the first place.

    It’s not congruent for one to be awe inspired by the “never say die” intestinal fortitude of a fighter like Ali (ultimately to his detriment) but, at the same time, describe anything less than that commitment cowardly?

    Finally, at least from my observations and experiences, heroes in the ring and/or real life aren’t prone to calling the “lesser” among them as cowards - an integral component of the makeup a true hero, perhaps?

    Interesting.
     
  7. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    What a dog **** thread.
     
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  8. Barrf

    Barrf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    yep.

    even the worst, seemingly cowardly, pro fighter is a total fearless badass compared to the average man.
     
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  9. Ney

    Ney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Let’s follow this through to its logical conclusion.

    Are you a professional singer? Then I don’t want to hear you criticise a solo artist or band.

    Can you unblock a toilet? Then don’t complain when your local plumber fails at it.

    Do you play pro football? Better be quiet when someone drops the ball then.
     
  10. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    The last time I called out a plumber, he did in fact fail to unblock my toilet so I told him he was a gutless piece of ****.

    He replied “Well, that’s all well and good but can I have my call out fee plus labour, please?”

    Of course, I then gave him the used plunger right in his mush/moosh. :D
     
  11. Ney

    Ney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    When the call out fee is what Spinks got for Tyson, you damn well better believe I’m gonna call him out on it.
     
  12. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    Did you contribute to that particular call out fee? I certainly didn’t so no skin off my nose.:D
     
  13. Ney

    Ney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Nope, but I still can’t help but be appalled by what I see.
     
  14. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    You want a pejorative word for a professional who falls below his own profession's extremely high standards for bravery, but is still better than the average person.

    It's certainly not "coward," since that word is usually understood to be relative to the general population.

    Actually, I don't think the word you're looking for exists right now. You might have to invent it. (Professhirker? Proltroon?)

    In practice, though, I expect that any such term would soon get overused. And would probably just make people angry.
     
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