Cowboys Stadium, 3/13/2010 - what if fear wasn't the mind killer?

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Does a brave Clottey survive?

  1. Likely yes

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  2. No, probably not

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  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Of course, when Joshua "Grand Master" Clottey fought Manny Pacquiao he was coming off a demoralizing SD loss to a version of Miguel Cotton that was perceived as damaged goods (after Margarito I, but still before the boricua's own subsequent loss to Pac-Man). Worse yet, the onetime poster child for the archetype of "teak-tough Ghanaian warrior" in boxing had suffered a flash knockdown in the first round against Cotto - and from a jab.

    Obviously his self confidence was a little shaken following that with a career payday that required stepping in with the fearsome little Filipino buzzsaw whose ATG legacy was still arguably in its "imperial phase". It would have been bad enough had Pacquiao not thrashed Cotto in the months that passed between Clottey vs. Cotto and Pacquiao vs. Clottey, leaving Junito even more damaged than Margarito had.

    Let's say that on the night, instead of willfully disappointing the more than 40k in attendance and the millions watching around the world on HBO (and in the process pissing away all the goodwill Grandmaster had banked with most fans of the sport), he had remembered just how strong a chin he possessed as a second line of defense behind that high guard. Let's say he hyped himself up by placing in context that the flash KD from Cotto was the only one of his entire career...and that he was never close to going down again. Let's say he threw anywhere close to his normal welterweight per-fight average. Let's say he didn't hide in a shell all night, and was willing to get into exchanges with Pac-Man.

    Obviously he is still losing IMO (that version of Pacquiao was beyond his capabilities), but probably still by decision. He may or may not get put down in a willfully spirited contest with the future Senator of the Philippines, but he isn't staying down. And he would not have lost hearts & minds as he likely has in this reality.

    Yes, he would later batter Mundine senseless - but let's be honest, nobody outside Australia noticed or cared. He also fought Gabe Rosado in a forgettable and unsuccessful effort on a random HBO card. Throw in a handful of meaningless victories at home and in the USA - but really, the sundowning began in Arlington, TX and it has remained perpetually dim ever since. Deciding to squander the huge platform and opportunity to dare to be great hurt Clottey's standing more than even the slight risk of being KTFO by Pacquiao would have.
     
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  2. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Damn shame, too. Good fighter, and his stock took a massive dip from this. As steep as his fellow 147lb titlist - and old rival - Carlos Baldomir's...except what Clottey did (being a bit of a safety first coward with anemic output) was at day's end just a mild letdown and not utterly reprehensible.
     
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  3. Oddone

    Oddone Bermane Stiverne's life coach. Full Member

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    Probably not.

    The Pacquaio he faced had retired De La Hoya three fights prior and went on to then brutalize Hatton in his next fight and finish off Cotto in the twelfth after that.

    After the Clottey fight, Pac beat the holy living hell out of Margarito and defeated Mosely.

    Clottey wass in the middle of one hell of a run by Pacquaio and I don't think he would have survived. Had he shown more resilience, Pacquaio would have turned it up in response as it was his nature.
     
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  4. TheMikeLake

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    I remember hearing at the time there was a rumor Clottey didn't give his best effort based on being mad af his pay for the fight and managerial issues. In an article posted on this website last year Clottey said he didn't put forth his best effort for those reasons. Are those things true? Idk, but at the time I thought Clottey would provide a good test for pacquaio. Therefor I voted yes on the poll.
     
  5. IntentionalButt

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    Pac landed at 20% of a career high 1,231 punches (~103 per round).

    Clottey landed 27% of his meager 399 punches (~33 per round).

    That is a far high number thrown for Pac than his welterweight average; the only times besides this he cracked a thousand as far as I can recall was versus Margarito (and unsurprisingly, he landed more than double the above clip on Margarito, 44%)

    That's also very low for Clottey - not even 2/3 of how many he fired against Miguel Cotto.

    Clottey's decision to shell up and not engage for most of the night contributed very directly to all of these numbers (his own record low output and Pac's record high output, as well as Pac's very low connect percentage)