Cracking the MW Top 10

I'll show you the score cards. Please show me any draw where the vast majority of boxing and media cards felt it was a clean win. Deal?

How about some score cards on GGG vs Canelo. Read below:

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Teddy Atlas --------------------------------> 118-110 GGG
Unnamed boxing site #1 ------------------> 118-110 GGG
Jeff Powell (UK Daily Mail) ----------------> 118-111 GGG
Kelly Pavlik ---------------------------------> 117-111 GGG
Dave Allen ----------------------------------> 117-111 GGG
Mookie Alexander (Bloody Elbow) --------> 117-111 GGG
Brian Campbell (CBS) ---------------------> 117-111 GGG
Jack Rathborn (Mirror UK) ----------------> 117-111 GGG
Harold Lederman (HBO) ------------------> 116-112 GGG
Devon Alexander --------------------------> 116-112 GGG
Dan Rafael (ESPN) ------------------------> 116-112 GGG
Al Bernstein -------------------------------> 116-112 GGG
Bryan Graham (Guardian UK) ------------> 116-112 GGG
Gareth Davies (UK Telegraph) -----------> 116-112 GGG
Steve Bunce (BoxNation) ----------------> 116-112 GGG
Tom Loeffler ------------------------------> 116-112 GGG
Sergio Martinez ---------------------------> 116-112 GGG
Amir Khan ---------------------------------> 116-112 GGG
Matthew Macklin --------------------------> 116-112 GGG
Steve Lillis (BoxNation) -------------------> 116-112 GGG
Bob Velin (USA Today) --------------------> 116-112 GGG
Lyle Fitzsimmons (CBS) -------------------> 116-112 GGG
Kevin McRae (Bleacher Report) -----------> 116-112 GGG
Shaun Al-Shatti (MMA Fighting) ----------> 116-112 GGG
Ryan Frederick (Wrestling Observer) ----> 116-112 GGG
Patrick Stumberg (MMA Mania) ----------> 116-112 GGG
Michael Woods (Ring) --------------------> 116-112 GGG
Nigel Collins (ESPN) ----------------------> 116-112 GGG
Cliff Rold ----------------------------------> 116-112 GGG
Bad Left Hook Writer #2 -----------------> 116-112 GGG
John A. MacDonald (Boxing Monthly) ---> 116-112 GGG
Ron Lewis (The Times) -------------------> 116-112 GGG
Daniel Cormier (UFC) --------------------> 116-112 GGG
Dardan Zenunaj --------------------------> 116-112 GGG
Kevin Mitchell (Guardian UK) ------------> 116-113 GGG
Josh Taylor --------------------------------> 116-113 GGG
Joshua Bautsi -----------------------------> 116-113 GGG
Matt Christie (Boxing News) -------------> 116-113 GGG
Barry Jones (BoxNation) -----------------> 116-113 GGG
Adam Booth -------------------------------> 116-114 GGG
Jordan Breen (Sherdog) ------------------> 115-112 GGG
Caleb Truax -------------------------------> 115-113 GGG
Kevin Iole (Yahoo) ------------------------> 115-113 GGG
Gary Locket -------------------------------> 115-113 GGG
Will Esco (Bad Left Hook) -----------------> 115-113 GGG
Phil Murphy (ESPN) -----------------------> 115-113 GGG
Mike Harris (SI) ---------------------------> 115-113 GGG
Paul Fontaine (Wrestling Observer) ------> 115-113 GGG
MMA Brazil ---------------------------------> 115-113 GGG
Sean Sheehan (Severe MMA) -------------> 115-113 GGG
Rob Tatum (Combat Press) ----------------> 115-113 GGG
Patrick Wyman (Bleacher Report) ---------> 115-113 GGG
Chavez Jr -----------------------------------> 115-113 GGG
Juan Manuel Marquez ----------------------> 115-113 GGG
Joel Diaz ------------------------------------> 115-113 GGG
Marc Livitz (SecondsOut) ------------------> 115-113 GGG
Stephen A. Smith (ESPN) -----------------> 115-113 GGG
Graham Houston (Boxing Monthly) -------> 115-113 GGG
Ed Robinson (Sky Sports) -----------------> 115-113 GGG
Unnamed boxing site #2 ------------------> 115-113 GGG
Tom Gray (Ring) ---------------------------> 115-114 GGG
Max Kellerman -----------------------------> Golovkin
Lennox Lewis ------------------------------> Golovkin
Shane Mosley ------------------------------> Golovkin
Austin Trout --------------------------------> Golovkin
Paulie Malignaggi --------------------------> Golovkin
Enzo Macarenelli ---------------------------> Golovkin
Scott Cardle --------------------------------> Golvokin
Terence Crawford ---------------------------> Golovkin
Reece Bellotti ------------------------------> Golvokin
Liam Smith ---------------------------------> Golovkin
Peter Quillin --------------------------------> Golovkin
Liam Williams ------------------------------> Golovkin
Ohara Davies -------------------------------> Golovkin
Luke Campbell -----------------------------> Golovkin
Dave Coldwell ------------------------------> Golovkin
Badou Jack ---------------------------------> Golovkin
Kevin Kelly (boxer) -------------------------> Golovkin
Steve Kim -----------------------------------> Golovkin
Doug Fischer --------------------------------> Golovkin
Ring TV guy (name?) ----------------------> Golvokin
Cornelius Bundrage ------------------------> Golovkin
Gabriel Rosado ------------------------------> Golovkin
Kal Yafai -------------------------------------> Golovkin
Julian Williams ------------------------------> Golovkin
Vanes Martirosyan --------------------------> Golovkin
Michael Montero ----------------------------> Golovkin
James Brady (SB Nation) ------------------> Golovkin
Joe Rogan (UFC) ----------------------------> Golovkin
Jim Rome (sports broadcaster) ------------> Golovkin
Kovalev -------------------------------------> Golvokin
Danny Jacobs -------------------------------> Golovkin
Murat Gassiev ------------------------------> Golovkin
Johnny Nelson ------------------------------> Golovkin
Rosie Perez ---------------------------------> Golovkin
Lou DiBella ---------------------------------> Golovkin
Tony Jeffries --------------------------------> Golovkin
Martin Samuel (UK Daily Mail) -------------> Golovkin
Joseph Parker ------------------------------> Golovkin
Bob Arum ----------------------------------> Golovkin
Fernando Schwarz (Fox Sports Mexico) --> Golovkin
Sportsbook 1 ------------------------------> Golovkin
Sportsbook 2 ------------------------------> Golovkin
Sportsbook 3 ------------------------------> Golovkin
Sportsbook 4 ------------------------------> Golovkin
Sportsbook 5 ------------------------------> Golovkin
Sportsbook 6 ------------------------------> Golovkin
Sportsbook 7 ------------------------------> Golovkin
Marcos Villegas (Fight Hub) --------------> Golovkin
Ana Julaton --------------------------------> Golovkin
John Buccigross (ESPN) -------------------> Golovkin
Nonito Donaire -----------------------------> Golovkin
Leo Santa Cruz ----------------------------> Golovkin
Fernando Vargas ---------------------------> Golovkin
Michael Bisping (UFC) ---------------------> Golovkin
Narhan Gorman ---------------------------> Golovkin
Lance Pugmire (LA Times) ----------------> 114-114 Draw
Chris Mannix (Yahoo) ---------------------> 114-114 Draw
Associated Press --------------------------> 114-114 Draw
Kenny Porter ------------------------------> 114-114 Draw
Roy Jones ---------------------------------> 114-114 Draw
Peter Fury ---------------------------------> 114-114 Draw
Tommy Hearns ----------------------------> 114-114 Draw
Joe Cortez ---------------------------------> 114-114 Draw
Liam Happe (Yahoo Sport UK) -----------> 114-114 Draw
Steven Muehlhausen (Sporting News) ---> 114-114 Draw
Gilbert Manzano (Denver Post) -----------> 114-114 Draw
Ben Thompson (Fight Hype) -------------> 114-114 Draw
Brian Kenny (MLB Network) -------------> 114-114 Draw
Eric Rasken (HBO) -----------------------> 114-114 Draw
Danny Flexen (British Boxers) -----------> 114-114 Draw
Kieran Mulvaney (HBO) ------------------> 114-114 Draw
David Greisman (former writer) ---------> 114-114 Draw
George Foreman --------------------------> 114-114 Draw (supposedly said)
Unnamed writer (Unnamed site #3) -----> 114-114 Draw
Robert Garcia ------------------------------> 114-114 Draw
Glen McCrory ------------------------------> 114-114 Draw
Danny Howard (Boxing Tribune) ---------> 115-114 Canelo
Bernardo Osuna (ESPN Deportes) --------> 115-114 Canelo
De La Hoya --------------------------------> 115-113 Canelo - his promoter
Bernard Hopkins --------------------------> 115-113 Canelo - ties /canelo
Gilbert Mendoza (President of WBA) -----> 115-113 Canelo
Coach Anthony ----------------------------> 116-112 Canelo
Erik Morales -------------------------------> 117-111 Canelo
Chavez Sr ---------------------------------> Canelo
Sergio Mora -------------------------------> Canelo

Notice how most who felt Caenlo won were Mexican, or had ties with him?

 

cmon Mendy, the one instance when GGG didnt win and you kick up an enormous fuss. Its poor sport. You are putting us real 3G fans to shame.

 

Try replying to the score cards I posted. It was a robbery. And I proved it. Poor sport was one of the judges cards.

 

i have, i am telling you that you come up with all this "evidence" only when you get butthurt because 3G didnt win on ONE occasion.


I dont see you putting up lists of judges for all his other fights.

this is poor showmanship on your part.

 

1 ) Yes, I come up with evidence. Try it more often

2 ) Which other score card would you like, outside of Canelo? GGG won them all of his fights on the cards. You can move the goal post back again if needed.

I'm not sure what you mean by poor sportsmanship, you're a known troll.

 

The decision wasn't all that bad, really. It was a **** fight, with a lot of fluffy rounds.

That's the problem, when you can't make a clear statement, against a vaguely world class opponent. The same issue exists with his close one against Jacobs.

Neither effort was emphatic, which leaves question marks. It doesn't matter what you, I or anyone else thinks about the W, L or D. It's the lack of distinction that lingers.

 

I asked you who do you think won, have you answered? Yes--it was a bad decision. One judge was crooked. All three judges gave Canelo the final three rounds, which is not correct.

I posted many score cards of the fight. Did you look at them? Notice the vast majority felt GGG won.

 

2017-09-16 : Gennady Golovkin 160 lbs drew with Saul Alvarez 160 lbs by SD in round 12 of 12

I can live with that. As I've already made clear, I think it was a rubbish fight, with lots of very little to pick the bones out of.

I trust Golovkin will put this right, in their rematch (and I'd bet on him doing so), but stop trying to make their first fight out to be a win for Golovkin. It isn't, plain and simple.

 

I call out BS when it happens. Lewis vs. Holyfield 1 for example. Another bad draw by a crooked or blind judge.

Or how about Pacquiao vs Bradly 1? Same BS. If you accept that as okay as a fan, you may. I think it diminishes the sport.

I tend to think GGG will win the rematch, even though 36 seldom beat 27 when 27 is also world class.

 

My, my. How noble of you to have called out the universally accepted robbery of Lewis/Holyfield (I). LOL - that result is in an entirely different league of bentness, as is the Pacquiao/Bradley (I) result.

Neither of the examples you have given, are remotely comparable to Golovkin/Alvarez. So, no. It's not the same.

Neither fighter was outstanding; nothing really separated them. It was an ordinary fight that will not live long in the memory once the rematch is over.

Golovkin isn't shot, by a long chalk. If he can't hammer home the corrective action necessary, it will be a shock. Especially, after all the fuss that's been made over the first fight.

 

if i tried to fake evidence like you do everytime my boxers lost, I'd be very busy.

i moved nothing mendy, but you wont listen to how mad you sound.

if i'm a troll why r u replying. i think you know full well thats not the case.

 

Again - I can't align with that perspective on Golovkin/Alvarez, at all. And, to be honest, I can't see any consistency in your perspective on scoring, either.

"Pacquiao vs Bradley 1, and Pacquiao vs Marquez 3" ??? There's a big difference between these two bouts, in terms of a potential discrepancy in the scoring.

With regards to your comments on the quality of the match, I didn't explicitly state a bout had to be a barn burner to avoid being considered a draw. Fury vs Klitschko was a clear win for Fury, because his better performance was distinguishable from the lesser performance of Klitschko - lack of drama, notwithstanding.

Neither Golovkin nor Alvarez particularly distinguished themselves apart from one and other; leaving the judges little to work with, in my opinion. Fights like that can go either way and often do. It wasn't a robbery and it seems to me that those that claim it was are, in general, on a bandwagon.


The influence of politics in boxing, no doubt plays its part; that less savory aspects of the game impact outcomes, to varying degrees, sometimes. But this invisible presence can equally be used as a convenient fallback for an uninspired performance; or, just fall into the category of conspiracy theory, period.

I think you'd need a lot more evidence to convince anyone - and me, especially - that I have somehow ratified "these corrosive elements" you mention; by merely calling a spade a spade - or, in this case, a draw a draw.