Crawford has got one of the worst resumes for the holder of P4P no.1 status.

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  1. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    You said great American fighters below 126 and I've listed 3 HOF boxers and the p4p GOAT MMA fighter to prove my point. Americans don't care about midgets, even 126 is considered too small and I can't name a great American featherweight who was in the p4p number 1 spot, ATG Willie Pep was the closest, being 134-1 before losing to Saddler but he was overshadowed by Joe Louis and a young Ray Robinson among others.
     
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  2. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    Who was the P4P #1 in 1961?

    Nobody knows or cares but they do know who the HW champ of the world was. Sort your priorities out people.
     
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  3. Maidanas Gun Tattoo

    Maidanas Gun Tattoo Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Tapia, Johnson and Carbajal shouldn’t have been in contention for being #1 though. That’s the point. Doesn’t matter if Americans pay attention them or not. I’ve always said certain fighters get overlooked because people don’t pay attention to certain classes. I said it about Inoue when people tried to downplay his opponents. If you don’t know those weight classes how can you say whether or not their opponents are good or not? When would Tapia have been number 1? Chavez owned the early 90s. Tapia wasn’t even fighting.
     
  4. JL Fighter

    JL Fighter Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What about Yuriokis Gamboa? ;)
     
  5. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    No, you quoted me about me quoting some guy saying if Inoue was American he'd be p4p number 1. My point is that Americans don't care about midgets no matter how great they are which I've said about 43423423 times already, I'm not sure why you ignored the Demetrius Johnson example which perfectly illustrates this. If the GOAT MMA fighter is overlooked and dismissed for being too small, what the hell would they think of lil 122 pound Inoue no matter if he was American or not. Again, the point is to illustrate that Crawford isn't getting extra points because he's American, if Crawford was some Japanese guy from Okinawa with the same credentials he has now he'd be an even bigger star than he is being a black American.
     
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  6. Maidanas Gun Tattoo

    Maidanas Gun Tattoo Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I don’t give a **** about mma. I clearly said that. Even if they cared about lower weights, Tapia, Johnson and Carbajal weren’t ever in contention as #1. American fighters do get the benefit of the doubt for alot of things in boxing, this is a known fact. Inoue would get more attention if he was an American blowing through 4 divisions with the way he beart his opponents.
     
  7. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    :lol:Hatton's walk around weight during his prime was close to 200, wtf does walking around weight have to do with anything? You need to understand the difference between walking around weight and fighting shape weight, there's a huge difference. Nobody from 154 pounds and below is favored over Crawford, the man started at 135 pounds, that's 4 weight classes and almost a 20 pound difference. He's undisputed and undefeated in boxings glamour division, that's the DEFINITION of p4p number 1. Who do you suggest he have fought then, he's been completely dominant on the weight classes he's fought at, it's not like Inoue who completely skipped the best Flyweight division in history to fight weaker champs up above.
     
  8. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    Of course they weren't in contention for p4p number 1, I thought you originally quoted me saying name great American fighters below 126 and I just blindly threw those 3 out. I don't give a **** about that, I'm not arguing back and fourth over a strawman. Again, for the 4545234352435435543435435664346th time my whole point is that Americans don't care about midgets no matter how great they are. UFC is more popular in the USA than boxing and has way more coverage, it's not about what you care about it's simply about the truth which is all that matters.

    Inoue would get more attention if he was American, what in the BLUE hell are you talking about? :lol::lol: Now I'm a born and bred tax paying American who's been following boxing all of my life. You know damn well that's a damn lie, for one if Inoue was American he'd struggle to make money because no American is gonna follow someone who's the size of an average American 4th grader. He'd be forced to move up and get pitted and knocked out by someone like Gervonta Davis, outboxed by Shakur Stevenson or Lomachenko and never be heard of again.
     
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  9. turbotime

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    Liston was you numbnut.
     
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  10. Maidanas Gun Tattoo

    Maidanas Gun Tattoo Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Americans love small athletes. From Mary Lou Retton to Spud Webb to Muggsy Bogues to Allen Iverson, etc etc. There just hasn’t been an exceptional smaller fighter like Inoue. Baseball fans loved Jose Altuve before the cheating scandals and even now his jersey is popular amongst Houston fans. Inoue would be adored by the American public seeing as how he doesn’t just outbox his competition, he dismantles them with fury and precision. Americans love knockouts. Inoue does that.
     
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  11. turbotime

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    Oh yeah, as opposed to Ruth, Jordan, Shaq, Pippen, Carter, Ali, Foreman, Phelps, Bolt.... All small dudes :hang
     
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  12. JOKER

    JOKER Froat rike butterfry, sting rike MFER! banned Full Member

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    Dude, you're clueless.
     
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  13. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    The main problem is the coverage for Inoue is on a different time zone, put Inoue on primetime, Vegas or LA, he'd be breaking box offices I guarantee it. The amount of Asians around that area, and people that love KOs in general. Sky is the limit.
     
  14. JOKER

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    Roman ducked him. HBO was building up the fight and Inoue was on his undercard. Roman demanded unreasonable money to fight 11-0 Inoue.

    Inoue struggled to make 115, so he dipped. Once it got more difficult to make 118, he dipped after getting that last belt.

    And Yafai, Warren, Casimero, and Russell all declined fights with Inoue.

    None of the 4 guys at Super Fly beat anyone Inoue's fought at 118. Maybe Dasmarinas and Dipaen. They all get bodied by Nonito, Moloney, Rodriguez, Payano. They even get stopped by Fulton.
     
  15. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    Who in the blue hell is Mary Lou Retton??? :lol: So you ignore my MMA comparison but gladly throw out NBA players, baseball players and.... let me get this straight, a woman gymnast? :qmeparto: Woman aside, I'm not sure why you're naming people from other sports who are waay bigger than Inoue to make a point, it literally doesn't make sense. You think Inoue would make a great basketball or baseball player? Wtf are you talking about, ya maybe if 5'5 126 pound soak and wet Inoue was able to compete with men much bigger his size he'd be popular but how does this correlate to boxing? You could of just thrown in Mike Tyson or Gevonta Davis to make a point but the thing is Inoue is doing this to men substantially smaller than those guys. Nobody cares about a midget beating other midgets, that's the whole point. Those guys you listed were competing against bigger men, Inoue isn't. If Inoue was knocking out Stevenson, Davis Haney and Loma then ya, he'd be popular, but he can't because he's tiny.

    "There just hasn't been an exceptional smaller fighter like Inoue". Again, Demetrius Johnson aka the GOAT MMA fighter who's greater than Inoue will ever be. Nobody in America cares, the UFC literally deleted his accomplishments from their history, don't even mention that he has the most defenses in history but he's doing huge numbers and money in Asia where he's much appreciated due to his size.
     
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