Crawford is p4p #1?

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  1. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft The Cobra Will Always Bite Back... Full Member

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    Well not officially he didn't. As I said just for résumé today, Joshua is on it. But not in an actual list
     
  2. Manfred

    Manfred Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Frankly, if there is a dispute as to who the P4P best fighter is then there is no P4P best. You gotta ask yourself, who's all around skillset you would rather have no matter what weight you fought in. The total package.
     
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  3. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    Just because he made Postol look like **** doesn’t mean Postol was ****. Ditto his other opponents.
     
  4. Stiff Jab

    Stiff Jab Member Full Member

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    The problem with this is that Canelo's draw and win over GGG both have a giant asterisk next to them, regardless of whether or not you believe he rightfully won either or both fights (and the argument exists that he certainly did win both). His own history of fighting at 'Canelo-weight' and being busted for PEDs are other things that leave a bad taste in people's mouths, and are rightfully counted against his p4p king status (is he really 'that good' or is he just a cheat who bullies smaller weight-classes?). Coupled with his status as one of the box-office kings - and thus recipient of so-called 'gift decisions' - and suddenly Canelo's record looks a lot more shady and suspect than it initially reads.

    The fact that he is still in the conversation anyway shows how good Canelo is regardless, but if we are judging p4p best by quality of opponents and records, the asterisks are enough to keep me grimacing.
     
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  5. Liquorice

    Liquorice Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What, u mean the AMERICAN commentators? Shock horror..
     
  6. The Akbar One

    The Akbar One Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree, his resume ain't ****. Loma's isn't all that good either, but with Russell Jr. on it, it's better than Crawford's.
     
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  7. kriszhao

    kriszhao Boxing Addict Full Member

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    His Resume is tainted though its a lot easier when you have the judges and commission in your pocket.
     
  8. kriszhao

    kriszhao Boxing Addict Full Member

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    nah his wins are **** for a P4P top 5 no way around it.
     
  9. kriszhao

    kriszhao Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Precisely
     
  10. PIPO23

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    Lomachenko is my number 1.
     
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  11. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    The only win that Lomachenko has that I consider better than Crawford’s win over Postol is the Gary Russell win.
     
  12. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie booted Full Member

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    Canelo is up there due to his resume and his skills, but you need to judge p4p on dominance as well. He has had a lot of fights that could’ve went the other way. He’s top 5 and one of my favourite fighters but you can’t really make a case for him being pound for pound number one imo.
     
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  13. Perkin Warbeck

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    Max Kellerman is Terence Crawford's biggest fan.
     
  14. shadow111

    shadow111 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    None of this has anything to do with being the P4P best fighter in the world. P4P isn't really even about wins and losses, or "decisions" it's about how skilled you are as a fighter, with an emphasis on recent performances. It's not really about anything else than observating how a fighter fights in the ring and rating his skills subjectively. It's not even really about if you win rounds, it's about your skills. You could still be P4P #1 even if you lose a decision, if you just fought the wrong strategy for example, maybe you were outworked but you showcased a higher level of skills.

    The level of competition is a factor of course, Canelo fought GGG twice which is a harder more difficult fight to win than anybody who Lomachenko or Crawford have fought. So the fact that those fights were close decisions don't do anything to diminish his P4P status. His P4P status is determined by how impressive he was in both fights. No one on the P4P list has shown the ability to use the kind of footwork he used in the first GGG fight, then showcase a come-forward approach. It shows that Canelo is able to fight in two completely distinct styles and be successful at both which is evidence of high level P4P skills.
     
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  15. greenhornet

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    Kellerman is a stupid ass.
     


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