Crawford is p4p #1?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by dealt_with, Apr 13, 2019.

  1. Holler

    Holler Doesn't appear to be a paid matchroom PR shill Full Member

    Mar 12, 2018
    I don't think Crawford shouldn't get praise and Khan at his peak was clearly levels above Crolla, however based on their last performance, Crolla > Khan
  2. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

    Jul 21, 2012
    Like you said , you haven't seen every thread. Crolla has been compared to Ezzard Charles and has been called a world level win.
    Ive watched Crolla since he was on prize fighter. He's a basic level fighter.
    He had a good win over Barroso which he he obtained through toughness and grit , not skill. The two Linares fights took a lot out of him as he looked poor in his last two showings against nobodies.
    Like i said before , he was just a mandatory Loma had to get out of the way. Everybody has them. Loma doesn't need to be criticized for it , but he doesn't need to be praised for it either.
  3. PaddyGarcia

    PaddyGarcia Representative of the #SocialistElite Full Member

    Feb 13, 2014
    Ezzard Charles!? Oh my ****ing lord
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  4. FuMaster

    FuMaster Well-Known Member Full Member

    Jun 10, 2016
    Rigo vs Loma was a mismatch like Mikey Garcia vs Spence; Loma is getting too much credit for that win. He was just too big. With that said, I feel Loma is #1P4P. He's as dominant a fighter as we will see in a while.

    Khan is a very live underdog this Saturday and I would not be surprised at all if Khan beats Bud. I've always said in a technical match, Khan is as good as anyone but the question is, is Khan still hungry? Crawford has to really impress to go to #1 spot on my list.
  5. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Jun 28, 2016
    It’s interchangeable imo,depending on who they fight in a year.certainly they are the top two and I’m not really fussed who’s considered no 1 as it’s meaningless anyway.
  6. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

    Jul 26, 2004
    Absolutely agree.
  7. shadow111

    shadow111 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Aug 1, 2012
    FYI he was 23 when he fought Floyd and had just beaten Austin Trout before he fought Floyd. He didn't look green when he knocked down Trout and beat him that night. He was coming off wins vs Cintron, Mosley, Josesito Lopez, and Trout. Those were solid wins to bring into a Floyd Mayweather fight, wins that somebody who was green wouldn't have. It had more to do with him struggling to make the catchweight vs Floyd and not having his promoter during fight week. Canelo wasn't green when he fought Floyd, he just had the deck stacked against him and fought probably the best version of Floyd of the last decade. And he still fought well under very unfavorable circumstances.
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  8. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

    Jul 21, 2009
    Loma and Crawford's top six wins IMO and Loma's>>>Crawford's on quality alone even without factoring in all of the below

    Disclaimer: I'm just going by Boxrec stats here so don't shoot the messenger and I'm very tired so forgive any errors if there are any (I don't think there is)

    In no order

    Linares had at least 7 or 8bs on Loma, 3.5'' reach, 1'' in height

    Martinez had 7lbs on Loma, 1.5'' in reach, 1'' in height

    Pedraza had 8-9lbs on Loma, had 5.5'' in reach on him and 1'' in height

    Loma was 0.5lbs heavier than GRJ, 2.5'' taller, and had a 1.5'' reach advantage

    Loma was 1lb heavier than Walters but Walters had a 7.5'' reach advantage, both same height

    Loma was 137 against Rigo, Rigo was 130lbs the morning of the fight in his tracksuit. Loma had 2'' height advantage, Rigo had a 2.5'' reach advantage

    Crawford had 7lbs on Gamboa, a 9'' reach advantage, and 2.5'' in height

    Crawford had 5lbs on Postol, 0.5'' reach advantage, and was at a 3'' height disadvantage

    Crawford had 6lbs on Beltran, 7'' in reach, both same height

    Crawford had at least 5-7lbs on Horn IMO, 6'' in reach, and was at a 1'' height disadvantage

    Indongo was 2.5'' taller than Crawford, but was at a 2.5'' reach disadvantage

    Burns was 2'' taller than Crawford but at a 4'' reach disadvantage

    Loma has not only beat better quality opposition but he's usually the one who is at significant weight disadvantage, weighs the same as his opponents or literally a pound or less more than them and most of the time at a significant reach disadvantage and by a huge margin in a number of those fights, whereas it's the complete opposite with Crawford.
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  9. Staminakills

    Staminakills Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Jun 8, 2012
    IMHO, spence is still p4p #1
    Buds a top tier fighter but not the best
  10. Staminakills

    Staminakills Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Jun 8, 2012
    Must be high as ****, rigo was a joke of a fight. Dude that was sitting in his couch more often than not decided his zero was worth less than some cash.
    Rigo did not even try to engage and find a way to compete.

    That was on rigo not because of loma
  11. dougemerypm

    dougemerypm Active Member Full Member

    Apr 15, 2017
    Serge has Crawford envy and/or far too much time on his hands. Loma is P4P number 1. Feel better?
  12. kriszhao

    kriszhao Boxing Addict Full Member

    Feb 8, 2008
    funny because how many people were picking Rigondeaux to win.. you were probably one of them.
  13. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

    Jul 21, 2009
    I've told you like half a dozen times now that I actually quite like Crawford and rate him very highly. However, I keep seeing his fans trying to discredit Loma position as the P4P king and citing nonsense like this to bolster their argument

    Loma's quality of opposition
    Walters being inactive for 11 months
    Loma being a weight bully who is heavier than all of his opponents
    The fact that Crawford has beaten 2 Olympic gold medalists

    All of this is completely bizarre because

    1. Loma's quality of opposition is very good and it's clearly better than Crawford's

    2. Gamboa had been inactive for 12 months going into the Crawford fight and it was a complete mismatch in terms of size. Crawford had 7lbs in weight and 9'' in reach on Gamboa.

    And Postol had been inactive 10 months going into the Crawford fight and was at a 5lb weight disadvantage, reach 0.5 less than Crawford's.

    And both Gamboa and Postol fought Crawford in his country with 7 of the 8 officials being from the US. But oddly enough I didn't hear so much as a peep out of the Crawford fans or even his detractors about inactivity when he beat Gamboa and Postol, which was in complete contrast to the deafening chorus of the Inactivity song we heard from the Crawford fans after Loma whooped Walters' ass despite the fact that an awful lot of them picked Walters to beat Loma. They're still very quick to give us a few verses of the Inactivity song even today whenever Loma vs Walters gets mentioned.

    3. And the irony of Crawford fans of all people accusing Loma of being a weight bully and beating up on smaller opponents (and I see an awful this a lot over on YT and other forums) literally couldn't be anymore priceless considering how Loma is usually the one who is at a significant weight and reach disadvantage or at worst with the exception of one or two times weighs the same as them give or take half a pound or even a whole one, whereas Crawford usually has a significant weight and reach advantage over his opponents with the exception of a handful of times.

    For instance check this out

    Crawford 74'' reach

    Khan 71'' reach
    Benavidez 73'' reach
    Horn 68'' reach
    Indongo 71½'' reach
    Diaz 67'' reach
    Molina 71'' reach
    Postol 73½ reach
    Lundy 68'' reach
    Jean 72'' reach
    Dulomre 73'' reach
    Beltran 67'' reach
    Gamboa 65'' reach
    Burns 70'' reach

    He's had a reach advantage over every single one of his opponents in world title fights

    How many times do you think T-Rex arms Loma has had a reach advantage over his opponents in his 13 world title fights, let alone a significant or freakish one like Crawford does?

    4. And as for the Crawford beat 2 Olympics gold medalists argument so Bud>>Loma. Well that's almost as comical as the Loma's a weight bully and beating up lighter opponents one.

    For starters, Loma beat 2 Olympic gold medalists in one tournament alone and that same tournament that year he also beat a fighter who was a world amateur championships gold medalist, 1 x silver, and 3 x bronze medalist, and a European silver and bronze medalist (Dominic Valentino)

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    The 2 Olympic gold medalists he beat in that tourney are the reigning Olympic gold medalist at light-welterweight from 2016 Fazilddin Gaibnazarov who is currently 7-0 as a pro now. The Uzbek also won silver at the World Amateur championships too.

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    And the reigning Olympic gold medalist at lightweight Robson Conceicao who also won silver and bronze at the world amateur championships and is currently 12-0 as a pro.

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    Loma also beat the number 1 Cuban in that tournament that year who was an Olympic bronze medalist 2 x world amateur championships silver medalist, and 1 x bronze (Yasniel Toledo)

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    And he also beat Jose Ramirez who was the number 1 US amateur and the current WBC light-welterweight champion.

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    That was all in one tournament in (the World Amateur Championships in 2011)

    And they were all naturally bigger than him too lol

    And one of the main reasons all those guys he beat don't have more golds, silvers, and bronze medals in major championships like the Olympics, World amateur championships, Europeans etc to add to their collections is, duh, because of Loma beating them lol

    And lets see if they still adhere to that argument if Loma fights Luke Campbell who in addition to being an Olympic gold medalist is also a world amateur silver medalist and a European gold medalist too. Campbell will be Loma's second opponent in the pros who is an Olympic gold medalist if they end up facing each other.

    And I'll always find time to speak truth and educate those who spout untruths (not accusing you of this btw) and disseminating irrefutable facts and sound logic and reasoning has a way of actually saving oneself time in the long run.

    And we ain't got nothing but time

    A gift

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  14. The Akbar One

    The Akbar One Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Dec 1, 2007
    It's not like Lomachenko has been fighting a murderers row. He fought his best and only A level opponent like five years ago. Take away Russell Jr, and Loma's resume is comparable to Crawford's in how mediocre it is, for their level of talent.
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  15. dougemerypm

    dougemerypm Active Member Full Member

    Apr 15, 2017
    Another diatribe from Serge. "I quite like Crawford" and then I spend 20 minutes telling you all the things he doesn't like about Crawford. As for "reach" Crawford can't really control that now can he. As for being a "weight bully" you complain about it and Chrissy Williams complains he ran from Prograis, Josh Taylor...……. Crawford simply can't win. But he just keeps winning and irritating you and Chrissy
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