Crawford kicks facts

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  1. Todd498

    Todd498 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    In another month YOU IDIOTS will still be denying ‘Bud’ walks around at 180.

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    Oh excuse me... 177.
     
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  2. dougemerypm

    dougemerypm Active Member Full Member

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    Are you Danny Garcia's dad? Foot movement is part of the game. The fact that Postol, and Danny Garcia are dumbfounded by that foot movement is not their opponents fault. The truth is that Postol was down twice in the fight and hurt at least twice more. The idea that "not standing in the ring and hoping Viktor would get lucky" shows ring smarts and hardly indicates a lack of "bravery." There a reason it is called BOXING and not brawling. As for 50K PPV you would have to say "Postol and his repulsive style," also played a part in that.
     
  3. JohnnyDrama99

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    I see just as many fans saying Loma won agaisnt Salido as I did who had HOPKINS beating Joe C. I thought Bhop did enough to win. I originally saw Salido etching our a decision but just rewatched the Salido/Loma fight yesterday and felt Loma did just enough to win. More fans were good with both decisions from what I can tell however.....they were hotly contested battles
     
  4. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    Change what facts? Lundy got his ass whooped bad and i never stated otherwise. I didnt even comment on the fight.
    Just that Lundy with his trash talking got to Bud really easy.
     
  5. JohnnyDrama99

    JohnnyDrama99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He was speaking his mind which is his opinion. I don’t mind that at all. He had a bit of venom behind his words. Most of that was directed at the Boxing journalists who he feels are biased. It’s not a “fact” that those who have Loma #1 are biased....that is simply his opinion. There are a lot of boxers, trainers and analysts who feel Loma is deserving of the distinction of being the best p4p boxer based on merit, not hue.

    I’m not saying there aren’t those who aren’t biased when it comes to Boxing. Most of the bias is at the fan level....but I don’t see racial bias from organizations like ESPN, HBO, SHO, Ring, BWAA or any of the governing bodies.

    There’s just as much if not more coverage for African American boxers...there’s more African American p4p ranked boxers historically than Latino, Asians, Arabs or white boxers...there’s been more FOTY boxers who are black than any other ethnic group. And rightfully so....African American boxers for the most part have dominated Boxing....but that doesn’t mean we haven’t experienced a paradigm shift where other countries haven’t produced exceptional talent through their extensive and well organized amateur programs.

    The US amateur boxing program has been struggling. There’s less talent being cultivated and produced than ever before. So there are more Eastern European boxers with very robust amateur backgrounds that are transitioning into the professional ranks and doing extremely well.
     
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  6. JohnnyDrama99

    JohnnyDrama99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think he beats all the top welterweights except for Spence. Although I’m unsure of the outcome for that one. It’s a 50/50 fight between Bud and Errol. Which speaks to just how great Bud is. He hasn’t even had a fight at 147, but based on his skills, athleticism and talent I’m confident he will be able to be one of the best welterweights in the sport of Boxing. It’s the same sentiment I have with Loma....he’s hasn’t even had a single fight at 135 or 140 but I already believe he’s that good to be #1 or #2 at either weight.
     
  7. JohnnyDrama99

    JohnnyDrama99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Bud actually was an American amateur standout but wasn’t an Olympic champion which would have done wonders for getting the attention of all the big promoters in Boxing. That’s a big reason Rigo and Loma were picked up by Top Rank at the very beginning of their pro careers. So they definitely reaped the benefit of have such noteworthy amateur credentials.

    Bud was signed to Middendorf Sports initially and didn’t sign to Arum’s Top Rank until 2012 after he was 15-0. While he did have a promoter, it was a small regional player but it did do wonders to build Crawford up as a Omaha Nebraska celebrity as a boxer and it was a model that has continued since signing with Top Rank. He fights frequently in his hometown and sells out every time. Bud accomplished a lot in just over 6 years with Top Rank and everything Bud has done is highly respected by everyone....even his critics
     
  8. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    He can't be seen as pfp the best which is why Bud said what he said. He has lost. And the loss is unavenged. To me this is clearly a legit reason, but Bud is involved in boxing a lot more closely and his opinion can't be disregarded. This isn't about which race or country is the best, or if there is a shift in boxing. That always happens. I'm glad that boxing in other countries is on the rise. Only the insecure claim race.

    The truth is many are biased and put Loma at pfp the best and they have no serious argument imo which is why it's so easy to argue why Loma isn't the best pfp.
     
  9. BlizzyBlizz

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    I don't see it, sorry. I'm not an after the fact guy. I don't forget fights and Loma clearly lost. And those who say that can't score a fight imo.

    As far as Cal and Hop...Cal couldn't even hit Hop, but Cal makes a good case that he won because Hop was imo too inactive. So a case can be made for both guys.
     
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  10. TJ Max

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    Let me ask y'all this. Are there honestly people here who actually hate a fighter because of their skin color or nationality or ethnicity or any unrelated factor to who they are as a person and how they perform in the sport if you want to be completely unobjective?

    Who here doesn't like a fighter because of the above? Identify yourselves.

    Come on, this is crazy if this is the case. What good does it do to hate one another? We all may find ourselves in a situation where we are confronted with one another, and we must make a decision for peace or a decision for hostility. The choice is yours.

    I think Crawford is a great fighter, but it would be nice to see these guys respect each other's skillset more often. I was actually surprised that Loma, who appears to be a very arrogant fighter said Crawford was the best fighter at the moment. Loma seems to say what is on his mind as he even admitted that Pacquaio's weight would be a concern.

    I think a lot of fighters today are prone not to mention their weaknesses, which is a good strategy because it doesn't give their opponents a potential mental edge. Anyway, regardless of who you think is pound for pound number one, I think we can respect bother fighter's skillsets.
     
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  11. lewis gassed

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    You had Lomachenko winning, you troll.

    https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...ido-or-lomachenko.500532/page-4#post-16045825
     
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  13. JohnnyDrama99

    JohnnyDrama99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I typically don’t go back and rewatch fights either but someone posted the fight and put up a poll so I got roped in. Even the first time I watched the fight, it was close but I gave it to Salido initially. But watching it yesterday I actually gave Loma a couple of the early rounds...they were close, but just saw it differently this time.

    Joe definitely hit Bhop. That’s like saying GGG couldn’t hit Canelo. That’s a narrative that is completely false. There were a lot of missed punches but a good amount did land in both fights. I think in both fights there’s a strong case for all of the boxers. The fights were very close in my opinion
     
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  14. JohnnyDrama99

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    There’s a bunch of fans who simply don’t like boxers or like boxers based on their ethnicity...with that said they have to be good boxers but sometimes those kind of fans care more about the racial aspect over the substance of a fighters abilities
     
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  15. BlizzyBlizz

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    GG hit Canelo, but he also couldn't hurt Canelo and he also missed a lot of shots and was hesitant to throw. No case can be made for Loma winning, sorry. I just have to be real. Joe didn't hit B Hop like that either, but Hop stopped punching.