Crawford only wants a drained compromised Spence

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  1. Stiff Jab

    Stiff Jab Despiser of Super-Middleweights Full Member

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    Money. He gets. Money. Because the contract stays the same with the same guarantees if they fight at 147, but the purses have to be renegotiated for a 154 fight, as has been reported multiple times, and Spence has already said he will not favor a higher split for Crawford. Who, once again, wants money. So he'll use the power he earned with his victory to dictate the weight-class. So he can get. Money.

    Will you acknowledge this point, focus only on this point, and not go off on unrelated tangents on Spence's deficiencies which from his inactivity to his injuries to his car accidents to how long he waited to get around to fight Crawford were almost all entirely his own fault?
     
  2. MismatchHypejob

    MismatchHypejob Active Member Full Member

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    Firstly, are you party to these contracts by chance? It seems like you are. Or at least you think you are. Do you know with certainty whether the winner, Crawford, who decides the weight can also dictate and have higher bargaining power in terms of split terms? Spence has for years spoken of moving up in weight, he also mentioned it straight after losing. What you've said seems to be an easy cop-out defending Crawford fighting someone not in top form. Which...you know is not very believable given Crawford has fought a number of shot fighters at Welter : Khan, Brook (&Drained). Also fought part time Porter who was on the edge of retirement, literally retiring after their fight. All of this is relevant because it shows Crawford isn't about challenging himself, it's about timing his opponents condition.

    Secondly, why are you acting like Crawford can't possibly have chosen Spence knowing all these factors contributing to his poor condition?
     
  3. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member Full Member

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    Thread translation

    “I’m a but hurt Spence fan and Crawford needs to fight on Spence’s term till Spence wins”
     
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  4. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This is utter nonesense

    Not only did you NOT say any of this before the match was made, but you proceed to list irrelevant variables that do not affect either resume by a significant margin In an effort to downplay the victory

    Nothing but excuses to take the shine off Crawfords win because you have no means of coping otherwise. Canelo and other elites being better than Spence doesn't mean Spence wasn't good. Where is this logic coming from ? Straight out your ass ?
     
  5. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    For a know-it-all, you sure ask silly questions. You want to know why TC is OK w/ 168 w/ Canelo? Because...and brace yourself....Canelo IS THE SHOT CALLER. He's the money man and it's HUGE (albeit slightly unrealistic) opportunity for TC.

    Get over the P4P crap. It means nothing in the real world. No one has an official list, and everyone gives their own criteria to try and follow. You guys freaking out over a P4P list is just fanboy talk.

    And if you think ESjr is damaged goods, and has a brain injury or is shot or whatever, what does 154 matter? No one has a belt at 154 anyway.

    TC owns ESjr at either weight at this point.
     
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  6. MismatchHypejob

    MismatchHypejob Active Member Full Member

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    You’ve literally said jack shite here and proceeded to act like I’ve done that. I’ve raised perfectly valid points and you just simply have failed to address them

    Fail.
     
  7. MismatchHypejob

    MismatchHypejob Active Member Full Member

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    :lol:
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    dumbass
     
  8. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So you agree with all those things random, posters said TT? If you don't, why even try to use them??
     
  9. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You brought ZERO credible points. Nothing but nit picking as much as possible to downplay Crawfords win. Spence was the man at 147 and Crawford who was the smaller guy demolished him and now he is undisputed.

    Nothing more Nothing less. And your ridiculous notion that Crawford wanting to chase Canelo and Charlo downgrades the Errol fight is delusional beyond belief when both are arguably undisputed champions in different weights

    This is why so many people think your post is BS and are calling you out. And you refuse to listen
     
  10. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No retort. Of course you don't have one. You have no real points, you are just a negative naysayer. Look troll, you ASKED WHY he's OK w/ Canelo at 168. You got a realistic answer.
     
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  11. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Last I checked, Floyd was already a JrMW World champ prior to facing Canelo. Are you really this stupid??
     
  12. Stiff Jab

    Stiff Jab Despiser of Super-Middleweights Full Member

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    Yes, I am. Same as everyone else. Because they've been very public about all of this as part of the selling point of the first fight, when people thought this fight was ever 50-50 (lol).

    He doesn't get to dictate, he is trying to dictate to Spence who won't budge on the money at 154, using the power he does have - choosing the weight - as leverage. Whether or not he is successful entirely depends on how much Spence believes a change in weight class actually matters.

    He's mentioned eventually getting around to fighting Crawford 'after everything else' for far longer, so miss me with this nonsense.

    Now I KNOW that isn't someone finger-wagging at Crawford in defense of Errol Spence whose biggest wins are against a post-GGG Kell Brook and fat featherweight Mikey Garcia, is it? Because if so, oh lordy is this not the pot calling the kettle black? Spence only fights 140 lbsers who moved up or 154 lbs-ers who moved down because they can't punch. He's a weight bully who the first time he couldn't physically shove someone on the back foot got the absolute dog **** beaten out of him. Any other 'compromise' is a result of Spence's poor lifestyle choices and trying to wait Crawford out. Also lol at "part-time Porter", I guess we're just making things up now. Like he knows when Porter is or isn't retiring. How could you tell, when he's been a once-or-twice-a-year fighter for the better part of a decade?

    This has no weight whatsoever because Crawford has been trying to fight Spence for years - literal years - who has been on camera avoiding him with the most shameless excuses: "Get a belt, I gotta fight Mikey Garcia...oh you got a belt? Well, um...uh...Porter got a belt too! You on the wrong side of the street! Oh, not with Top Rank anymore? Um...accept the funny money, why you want guarantees?!"

    Crawford's wanted this fight since before fish-face drunk like a fish and allegedly ruined his health (which didn't seem to stop him from beating up two other fat ex-140 lbsers....sorry, sorry, "super elite welterweight competition" Ugas and Danny Garcia :lol: ) If Spence took actions that created 'factors' that weighed in Crawford's favor, sounds like a Spence problem.

    Also, you failed the task at hand to not go off on unrelated tangents. A common L among Spence-aholics.
     
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  13. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You've made no points. Well, maybe in your simple mind you did. But nothing of substance because you ask dumb questions and REFUSE to acknowledge the answers you get. Are you even a fan of any boxers? All you do is b*tch here and cry about P4P ranks like a freakin casual.

    Being a naysayer doesn't show you have any boxing knowledge. You're here just to b*tch, like a b*tch,
     
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  14. JOKER

    JOKER Froat rike butterfry, sting rike MFER! banned Full Member

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    You say P4P lists are meaningless, but the inclusion on such lists is VERY meaningful to fighters. Bud himself rates P4P lists as very important to his image as a boxer.
     
  15. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    On WHO'S P4P list? Ring? Boxrec? Some fools on a message board? There is no ONE P4P list.

    As for meaningful, so does winning a regional belt for a boxer. They mean a lot. But doesn't make them a World Champ. Go cry about P4P to someone else. We've already had this dance.
     
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