Crawford's ATG ranking: The Good, The Bad and The Ugly

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  1. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    You seem emotional.
     
  2. Ted Spoon

    Ted Spoon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The big problem is that the jewel in Crawford's crown is not especially valuable, not on closer inspection. Canelo, who had slowed, who became undisputed via 'champions' who wouldn't have qualified for the Super Six, had also actively avoided his #1. That's who Canelo was for the last two years. A man who'd arguably been beaten four times. Five times? Unkind, perhaps, though far from the unluckiest career - not when you repeatedly fail to find that extra gear.

    Crawford's performance was stellar, and it's a good win. It wasn't anything like what it was built up to be - and that's why a good few picked the former lightweight. What 'hadn't been done before' was indebted to a lack of integrity. Had Benevidez been given the chance to bash up Canelo, what's the chance Crawford goes up?
     
  3. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    What Canelo did to unify at 168 was truly special and yes those guys would’ve been fine in the Super Six until running into Ward, just like the guys who were actually in it.

    He was legitimately a middle of the top 10 pfp guy. Those who picked Crawford did so because he’s more of top 5 pfp guy since the start of the century. And he’s the only guy to be undisputed at 135 and 168, upon closer inspection.

    You’ll be quick to discredit Benavidez at some point in the future. So quick they forget that he only 7-5’d Plant.
     
  4. Loudon

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    Gatti was a warrior, may he RIP.

    However, his induction into the HOF is definitely questionable.


    Yes, Khan and Brook were better.

    However, they were both shot when Terence fought them.
     
  5. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Damn right.

    It would have been much easier than having fought prime versions of Chavez, Oscar and Tito.
     
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  6. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    How was it truly special?
     
  7. JohnThomas1

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    :lol:
     
  8. Boxed Ears

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    When a ginger is called 'Cinnamon' as a nickname, when that man cannot get his camp straight on two very, very different spices, I think if that man is your best win...you've got some 'splainin' to do, Lucy. I mean, at least with Ryan Rhodes it was like-...an all-purpose kind of...just generally-...I mean...I know what I mean.
     
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  9. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

    Ioakeim Tzortzakis "The David Haye of Loma's Gay" -Edgar Allan Poe Full Member

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    I will also say this about the Canelo win, and it matters for so many reasons. I picked Bud to win, so did @George Crowcroft when we were talking about it. "BS, you're just saying that now, after Crawford already did the impossi-" Shut up.

    Why did we pick Bud ? Because it was a cherry pick. Yes, Canelo was a cherry pick. Crawford did what Ray Leonard did with Hagler basically, but even more shrewdly. Saw that everything fit into place and knew that this was the fight that would make him look best.

    Why did Bud not fight anybody else at 154 ? Because it was risky and wouldn't make him look as good as fighting Canelo. Fundora is ****ing 6'6 and would be a pain to deal with due to that alone, even if Bud is the way better fighter. Ortiz was a young, hungry, power punching newcomer that was still mostly unproven (he had yet to beat Madrimov and Lubin), and could upset him. Same with Murtazaliev who had starched Tim Tzyu in 3 rounds, who was THE man to beat at the time at 154. Madrimov almost did upset him, and it was quickly established soon after Bud beat him that he's not the top dog we thought he was at 154. 154 was filled with risks (as it's also like, one of the top 5 or 3 divisions today in terms of overall talent).

    And there's a reason he skipped 160. It's a dead division with a random Kazakh at the top that nobody cared about until hints of Bud fighting him were brought up, AFTER he had already beaten Canelo. It was risky, wouldn't have sold for **** and wouldn't give him the public acclaim he so yearned.

    Canelo though ? Everything fit. Age, styles, size, narratives and greatness.

    He was 35, and as Bud himself said, "I may be older than Canelo, but he is older than me in Boxing years". 20 years is a lot. Even longevity freaks like Moore, Hopkins and Pacquiao were on the decline 20 years in, even if they still had some years left. Someone like Mayweather also had incredible longevity, just a tier below the former 3, and he had called it quits 19 years in (no, McGregor does not count). Crawford knew what he was doing.

    His last few performances had basically confirmed it. The 2 divisions smaller Charlo went the distance by running away. Bumlanga might have gotten knocked down, but still went the distance. Then he got sparked in 5 by Sheeraz not more than a year later. After watching "highlights" of Canelo vs Scull, I messaged George and half jokingly-half seriously told him "give me a few months to prepare and I could shutout this version of Canelo, that's how slow, old and plain awful he looked". He didn't disagree :lol:

    Canelo's main problems for years were his slow feet and lack of stamina, as well as his relative inability to cut off the ring. If you want to cut off the ring against a mover that pivots and circles, you move across them, you don't move with them like Canelo does. Even prime "the juggernaut who broke Saunders' face" P4P#1 Canelo was like that. "Now Imagine what a nearly retired Canelo's legs would be like" is what Bud probably thought. Bud himself may not have been the mover he was at his peak, but he didn't need to be.

    Size also played a factor. Canelo is the slightly shorter man with the shorter reach. He never had a chance of catching Bud due to longer legs covering more distance, or keeping him at his preferred distance due to length. Imagine if it was Benavidez instead. And while Canelo is the bigger, more robust fighter of the 2, people forget that he also had to bulk up to get to 168. This is a guy who could still weigh in at 154 by the age of 26. There's no "he was still naturally growing " excuse here. He's a naturally small Super Middleweight, and unfortunate enough to have bulked up to the point of being unable able to cut down to 160 without badly hindering his performance, while also being just plain too small for 175. Also, wanna know the weight difference during fight night ? Canelo was 180 to Bud's 175. Yeah, Bud was heavy enough in the ring to be considered an eligible opponent for Michael Spinks.

    This ties in with the narrative that Bud was apparently too small for Canelo. He never was. The actual concern should have been whether or not Bud would feel comfortable fighting at such a high weight so suddenly, not the actual size difference (which is probably only a division's worth, if that). Honestly, Crawford's biggest mistake in his career is actually revealing how big he is outside the ring/after the weigh in, because frankly there's no way anyone would ever suspect he would look so lean at 175. He should have played with the "I'm too small" narrative for his own good. There are even available interviews with him before the Canelo fight saying that this whole thing was just him not having to worry about cutting weight.

    Everything fit right into place. The fact that Crawford had the perfect style for him, the fact that Canelo was not the fighter of old, the fact that the natural size difference was far smaller than advertised, the fact that Canelo is the face of the post MayPac era and arguably the most accomplished and greatest fighter of said era, the fact that he was STILL P4P ranked despite not proving he's been at that level for years, and the whole narrative of "this is a huge risk for Crawford". Yeah, this was a cherry pick so cleverly disguised that they think David slew Goliath. I've even seen people rank Crawford in their Mt Rushmore alongside (get this) Ray Robinson, Henry Armstrong and Sam Langford because he "took a giant risk and did the impossible". Bud played everyone like a fiddle.
     
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