Crazy 2 year stretch for Henry Armstrong

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  1. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Never have I EVER said Leonard cherrypicked. I have him top 10 atg ffs :yep
     
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    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    But again, unifying 3 championships and beating HOF'ers > Ezzard Charles. MAYBE. Charles was a great shout and I mentioned him in my original post.
     
  3. PowerPuncher

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    A few on here rate him above LWW lineal champion Hatton, he was pretty good but limited
     
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    I disagree personally BUT Robinson also beat champions of 3 divisions in 2 years, he could easily have beat LW, WW, MW champs in that time
     
  5. turbotime

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    Tell me you're not counting the Armstrong win.
     
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    I'm not convinced Armstrong was removed from prime as is assumed given some of his best wins came in this period HOWEVER SRR beat Angott, Zivic and Lamotta multiple time in those years, all good enough to be LW, WW and MW champions
     
  7. turbotime

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    True but Angott was outsized big time fighting above LW iirc, Robinson was never the WW champion either. Saying he would have been means nothing, especially considering how Zivic was an ******* the whole time after winning the belt.
     
  8. Drew101

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    I dunno...It's tough to argue with anyone goes 41-0 (36 KO's) over a two year span, especially when they defeat the following list of fighters...

    Mike Belloise
    Benny Bass
    Petey Sarron
    Chalky Wright
    Baby Arizmendi
    Lew Feldman
    Barney Ross
    Lou Ambers
    Cerefino Garcia
    Frankie Klick

    Former and future champions all.

    Plus legit contenders like Feldman, Casanova, and Manfredo. And, unlike Greb, he stopped the vast majority of the people he faced in these two years. With the exception of Aldo Spaldi, everyone who managed to make it to the end was a HOF caliber fighter.

    Maybe there were two year runs that were better. But in all honesty, this run, against these opponents, ensure that it can't be considered a mere pittance to any other run. It's quite a bit more than that.
     
  9. turbotime

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    The thing is, most posters are disregarding the fact that he started as a featherweight.
     
  10. Drew101

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    Armstrong was still a contender, even though he was past his best. He was still able to defeat guys like the very capable Willie Joyce, the aforementioned Angott, Lew Jenkins, and Tippy Larkin, so a victory over him was still a nice feather in one's cap to have, even at that point.
     
  11. Drew101

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    Yeah, and that's the thing about this run. This is a guy who was essentially a featherweight/junior lightweight unifying at featherweight, and then winning two world championships at lightweight and welterweight. That's an utterly mind-boggling accomplishment, especially within the space of two years.
     
  12. turbotime

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    It's just ridiculous. Saying Amrstrong missed out on Cocoa kid is like saying Robinson missed out on the entire murderers row.
     
  13. Drew101

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    There are a couple of soft touches among those 27...but not too damned many, really. Only three of the guys Armstrong faced had losing records. And some of the guys who were only a little over .500 still had good results on their record (e.g. Drouillaird's draw with Kid Chocolate).

    He fought 27 times, KO'd 26 opponents and unified at featherweight. Pretty impressive year...one of the best in history.
     
  14. PowerPuncher

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    Angott set the weight at a 136 catch weight so his lightweight title wasn't on the line, Robinson could easily have taken the title from him at 135

    So no Robinson didn't get the belts then, but I think beating these 3 over the 3 weight classes is a similar achievement
     
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    1947-1949 - Only one disputed loss. Wins against Moore, Walcott, Maxim, Bivins, Marshall, Ray, Oakland Billy.