Create the ultimate defensive fighter:

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  1. Sage

    Sage Active Member Full Member

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    I was thinking about this the other day guys, and this is actually not that easy, because there are plenty of ways you could go about this and tons of fighters with attributes that are fantastic defensive attributes.


    I'll have a crack:



    Speed (hand and foot): Roy Jones
    Reflexes: Roy jones
    Punch "awareness": Wilfredo Benitez
    Shoulder roll/slip: Archie Moore (honarable mention James Toney)
    Make you miss: Willie pep
    Defensive footwork: Pernell whitaker




    There are plenty of other attributes that are beneficial in a defensive sense too, so see what you can come up with








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  2. bladerunner

    bladerunner El Intocable Full Member

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    Speed-Taylor
    Reflexes-RJJ
    Punch Awareness-Loche
    Shoulder Roll-Mayweather
    Make you Miss-Loche or Whitaker
    defensive footwork-Pep
    rolling with punches-Roberto Duran
    Head movement-Roberto Duran
     
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  3. Jerry

    Jerry Active Member Full Member

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    Mix Chris Byrd, Mike Tyson, and James Toney. For offense throw in the flashy punches of Ali.
     
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  4. Sage

    Sage Active Member Full Member

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    Actually thats a good point, head movement.





    For that, i'll take tyson
     
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  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Dempsey has better head movement than Tyson, though no other heavyweight does.
     
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  6. Holmes' Jab

    Holmes' Jab Master Jabber Full Member

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    Jack Johnson + Pernell Whitaker + Wilfred Benitez = just about as great a defensive fighter as you'll get fundamentally.
     
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  7. Holmes' Jab

    Holmes' Jab Master Jabber Full Member

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    I rate Tyson's a tad better. What about Frazier? he had pretty damn good head movement, he'd be in the reckoning.
     
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  8. 1Kolijn

    1Kolijn Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Head movement: Mike Tyson
    Shoulder roll: Floyd Mayweather JR (James Toney)
    Reflexes: Roy Jones JR
    Footwork: Muhammad Ali
    Punchawarness: Floyd Mayweather JR
    Make you miss: Pernell Whitaker (Bernard Hopkins)
     
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  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    My problem with Tyson is that his moves are often very exaggerated, and he turns his body with his head whilst planting his feet. You would need to have ice in your viens as well as superb accuracy but Tyson could be timed. His head movement was not arbitary. This is becase it was born off specialisation, Tyson is trained to slip the jab - a specific punch. But Tyson doesn't always look to ditch specific shots. His job is to present a moving target, one that is difficult to hit clean, but he often followed a pattern of movement.

    Dempsey was superior because he showed the same moving target without turning his upper body to much. His movements were much "easier". This meant that if an opponent timed him - which was harder anyway, because Dempsey's movements were much more arbitary - he suffered less harsh consequences. Secondly, Dempsey reacted where Tyson just acted, at least against Willard.

    Frazier, I don't rate in the same league in this department. He's a rythym based fighter, that's how he got in and how he got his best work done, but as Foreman showed, he was vulnerable. Rythm based fighters can suffer in one of two ways - having that rythm broken or getting timed. Demspey is the opposite of a rythym based fighter - Tyson lies in the no-man's land in between. This is why I see Tyson shading Dempsey in this department.
     
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  10. DINAMITA

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    James Toney. Bernard Hopkins. Two ultimate defensive fighters.
     
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  11. P.4.P.G.O.A.T.

    P.4.P.G.O.A.T. Q Boro Killa Bee Full Member

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    Head movement: Sweet Pea
    Shoulder roll: Floyd Mayweather
    Reflexes: Roy Jones
    Footwork: Sweet Pea
    Punch awareness: Floyd Mayweather (by far the greatest)
    Make you miss: Sweet Pea
    Counterpunching: A prime Tyson (with an honorable mention to a prime Hopkins)
     
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  12. CJLightweight

    CJLightweight Lightweight Kingpin Full Member

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    toney+mayweather+whitaker+duran mold into one
     
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  13. K0NPHL1C7

    K0NPHL1C7 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wow, it took that long before someone mentioned Winky? The guy is a turtle, you just can't hit him!
     
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  14. Minto

    Minto The Beast Full Member

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    Take Oliver McCalls Chin, then you need no defense:D

    Perhaps a mix between Hopkins, Mayweather,Toney and Henry Maske.
     
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  15. Sweet Pea

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    Speed: Jones Jr.
    Head movement: Benitez/Canto
    Shoulder roll: Locche
    Reflexes: Jones Jr./Canto
    Footwork: Pep
    Punch awareness: Locche/Benitez
    Elusiveness: Locche/Whitaker
    Counterpunching: Whitaker/Jones Jr.
    Blocking/Parrying: Wright
     
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