Create the weirdest heavyweight top 10 that you could actually argue for

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  1. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Your challenge:

    Assemble a heavyweight top ten ATG list that is as different from the forum consensus as possible...but that you believe you could defend if necessary.

    The picks can be strange, but they have to be supported by good reasons. Rating Larry Holmes #1? Okay, that's sort of arguable, as long as you can back it up. Rating Scrapiron Johnson as #1? No.

    Take your best shot.
     
  2. Jel

    Jel Reserving the right to be inconsistent Full Member

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    Ten greatest heavyweights based on combined length of title reigns:

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    11 years, 8 months, 8 days
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    9 years, 5 months, 5 days
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    8 years, 5 months, 13 days
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    7 years, 5 months, 28 days
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    7 years, 3 months, 12 days
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    7 years, 2 months, 19 days
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    7 years, 0 months, 10 days
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    6 years, 3 months, 11 days
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    6 years, 1 month, 1 day
     
  3. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    1)Muhammad Ali
    2) Joe Louis
    3)Sonny Liston
    4) Ezzard Charles
    5) Sam Langford
    6) James Jeffries
    7) Wladimir Klitschko
    8) Jack Johnson
    9) Gene Tunney
    10) Evander Holyfield
    Man I feel dirty….couldn’t even make a fake list without Ali and Louis lol. This is pretty far off what is my normal list. But pretty much 3-18 is very subjective. One can rationalize Charles at four for example by his wins. Or Liston by his domination and style and punch output.
     
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  4. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Resident Gadfly Full Member

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    Rocky Marciano is 49-0 and Ali has a loss to Berbick. Berbick lost to Tyson... Tyson lost to Buster... Buster lost to Evander who lost to Ruiz... Lennox lost to Rahman who lost to Toney who lost to Jones who beat Ruiz my top 3 so far are...

    Marciano
    Jones
    Ruiz
     
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  5. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Resident Gadfly Full Member

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    Well it’s a known fact Scrap Iron was robbed against Joe Frazier. The crowd knew it and Frazier admits it in his bio.
     
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  6. Jester

    Jester Active Member Full Member

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    1. Muhammad Ali
    2. George Foreman
    3. Sonny Liston
    4. Joe Frazier
    5. Ken Norton
    6. Max Schmeling
    7. Jersey Joe Walcott
    8. Max Baer
    9. Elmer Ray
    10. Lou Nova

    Dunno how weird it is, but I think it's a pretty interesting collection of fighters.
     
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  7. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    On a combination of social impact, impact on the sport, and within-era dominance:

    1) John L. Sullivan
    2) Jack Johnson
    3) Joe Louis
    4) Muhammad Ali
    5) Wladimir Klitschko
    6) Larry Holmes
    7) Rocky Marciano
    8) Mike Tyson
    9) Jack Dempsey
    10) George Foreman / Michael Spinks (depending on how the list author is feeling that day.)
     
  8. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Here’s my list based on who I think would win if all lineal heavyweight champions were put into a free-for-all battle royal in their peak primes (last 10 eliminated, final man standing as No. 1 — eliminations come from being knocked out, quitting or thrown over the top rope with both feet hitting the floor):

    1. Tyson Fury
    2. George Foreman
    3. Primo Carnera
    4. Lennox Lewis
    5. Mike Tyson
    6. Jess Willard
    7. John L Sullivan
    8. Jack Johnson
    9. Evander Holyfield
    10. Jim Braddock
     
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  9. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That’s better than anything I can come up with. Good job
     
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  10. MoneyMay1

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    1. Muhammad Ali. No Matter how weird the list is, he's the GOAT.
    2. Rocky Marciano
    3. Joe Louis
    4. Tyson Fury
    5. Wladimir Klitschko
    6. Jack Johnson
    7. Lennox Lewis
    8. Vitali Klitschko
    9. Larry Holmes
    10. Gene Tunney
     
  11. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven Obsessed with Boxing banned Full Member

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    1 R Marciano
    2 R Bowe
    3 G Tunney
    4 S Ibragimov
    5 I Johansson
    6 L Lewis
    7 F Damiani
    8 J Tate
    9 J Louis
    10 T Morrison
     
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  12. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Now this gem, I would like to see the rationale for.
     
  13. sweetsci

    sweetsci Well-Known Member Full Member

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    1. Rocky Marciano - 0 losses
    2. Gene Tunney - 1 loss, avenged 3 times
    3. Riddick Bowe - 1 loss, avenged twice
    4. Michael Spinks - 1 loss
    5. James J. Jeffries - 1 loss
    6. Lennox Lewis - 2 losses, both avenged
    7. Joe Louis - 3 losses, 1 avenged
    8. Joe Frazier - 4 losses against 2 opponents; holds win over one of those opponents
    9. Sonny Liston - 4 losses against 3 opponents, 1 loss avenged twice
    10. Michael Moorer - 4 losses; holds win over one of those opponents

    Premise #1 - The facts show that these fighters, in sheer numbers, were the hardest champions to beat.
    Premise #2 - If a fighter isn’t good enough to win THE lineal title, he’s not good enough to be top ten.
    Premise #3 - Only retired fighters were considered. Thus no Tyson Fury.
     
  14. sweetsci

    sweetsci Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Another interpretation:

    1. Lennox Lewis
    2. Shannon Briggs
    3. George Foreman
    4. Michael Moorer
    5. Evander Holyfield
    6. Buster Douglas
    7. Mike Tyson
    8. Michael Spinks
    9. Larry Holmes
    10. Muhammad Ali

    Premise: Each man proved he was better than the fighter immediately below him because he beat the man who beat the man.
     
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  15. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    I'm imagining a Top 3 (at their best) list from the 1970s that looks like a loop, and ends up short circuiting the list creator like a robot on 60s Star Trek.
     
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