Credit to Canelo for consistently fighting good opponents

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by MoneyMay1, May 23, 2022.


  1. MoneyMay1

    MoneyMay1 Member Full Member

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    I'll give props to Usyk for being a great fighter and not ducking anyone. However, his resume of opponents is nowhere near as tough as Canelo's. He has 1 good opponent on his resume: Anthony Joshua. Can you name me 1 other good heavyweight he has faced? His 2nd best opponent is Dereck Chisora who is old and has lost like 5 times in a row.
     
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  2. Jackstraw

    Jackstraw Mercy for me, justice for thee! Full Member

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    Alright bud, you jumped the shark with this post. I liked your OP, and as a man that’s never liked Clenelo I could appreciate you acknowledging that he’s not an ATG but still deserves credit for consistently taking on good fighters. He’s no Ali, Manny or even Oscar when it comes to taking the toughest flights, but then again he’s not as bad Floyd. But now you’re belittling Usyk, of all fighters! You’re mask slipped and the face it was covering is ugly. Shame on you…
     
  3. MoneyMay1

    MoneyMay1 Member Full Member

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    I'm not belittling Usyk. I have Usyk ahead of Canelo on my P4P list. He is a better fighter. However, he hasn't faced the level of opponents that Canelo has. The 2nd best HW that Usyk has faced is 37 year old Dereck Chisora.

    The point of this thread is that no one in boxing currently has faced more good fighters over past 5 years or even 2 years than Canelo has. No one has had 11 fights vs. Current or former World Champions.
     
  4. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You are not listening. You have ignored my context that I have explicitly laid and you're screaming like a mad person with their fingers in their ears. No surprises from a delusional Wilder fanboy. For the fourth time let me outline the context around his 168 opposition:

    "Canelo at 168, as I've explained in a previous post, is all smokes and mirrors. Let say these 168 fighters came to win (they didn't, apart from BJS imo).

    Smith - looked poor after he robbed Ryder, Best W was a one armed shoulder Groves at the end of his career. Looked mediocre against a kickboxer. If this context wasn't enough he was given 4-5 week camp (struggled finding sparring partners) for the biggest fight of his career.

    BJS - natural 160lber. Hadn't fought world level in 3 years since Lemieux. Was essentially gifted a belt at stevenage by Shefat Isufi. Had looked pretty much meh in all his outings at 168lbs. Looked subpar against aged shot Murray after having layoff. BJS made it clear he needed more fights before fighting Canelo after Murray. Still went ahead and fought Canelo. Historically Billy has had on/off performances. When he was supposedly at his best, he looked poor (in the Akavov and Ryder fights at least) and had very close fights with Akavov, Ryder (both arguable lost), Andy Lee and even Chris Eubank. Despite all this valid important context, Billy managed to nick 4-5 rounds off the so called face of boxing in Canelo (many had Billy winning 5, even DAZN commentator Chris Mannix).

    Plant - discount Mayweather who isn't as slick as everyone makes him out to be. Many had him up or at least nip and tuck WITH Canelo on their scorecards. Plant has beaten really nobody of note (apart from Uzvategui a few years back) and although won clearly against Truax, looked mediocre to say the least"


    Since you're so sure of yourself go through that context tell me what's wrong and why they weren't cherrypicks because so far you havent done that. You've screeched like a little girl "buT DeY ChamPEonays". Well done you cretin I've answered that point. You can cherrypick and cardstack a champion. Are you denying that? Because it seems like you are all to intentionally give Canelo undue credit you weird man worshipping loser.
    Answer me this. You're telling me Canelo didn't age Golovkin out further 3-4 years after his widely deemed controversial win against him? (Golovkin won the fight 8-4, most media outlets had it for Golvokin, objectively a very controversial fight)
    This would make sense if I ever claimed Billy Joe fight was fixed.. Which I didn't. You ****ing idiot. I claim fights like Kovalev and Callum Smith were fixed.. Because they ****ing were you naive idiot. And people were calling them as such after the fight. There's a reason Trout called the Kovalev fight a fix. And even in a poll on this forum 33% believed the Kovalev fight was a fix. So it's hardly a rare opinion you clown.

    You just love man worshipping and give undue credit to notorious scumbag cherrypickers like Canelo and Wilder. Spineless boxing fan
     
  5. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Now the Canelo-Callum Smith fight was fixed, too? :pipi

    Kovalev got knocked out by Eleider Alvarez in 2018. Kovalev got knocked out by Canelo Alvarez in 2019. Kovalev also nearly lost to Anthony Yarde in 2019. None of them were "fixed." Kovalev is at the end of his career. Eleider, Canelo and Yarde aren't the greatest light heavyweights in the world. It doesn't take a great Light Heavy to beat or give Kovalev a bad night anymore. Time just catches up to all of them.

    I thought Kovalev would beat Canelo. And he was doing fine until he got brutally KOed. So, I gave the guy who brutally KOed him credit, and I moved on.

    Fights aren't "fixed" just because you picked the wrong guy to win.

    https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/6db_3.jpg

    Get your head out of your ass.
     
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  6. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes you naive clown.
    I've already debunked this mediocre below par assessment on the fight in several threads. You've already proven that you are not worthy of debate.

    Go suck off Wilder's **** elsewhere
     
  7. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You haven't "debunked" anything.

    Now you claim that undefeated World/Ring Super Middleweight champ Callum Smith took a bribe and let Canelo beat him. Proof offered - zero.

    You claim Kovalev, who was brutally KOed, TOOK A DIVE. Proof offered, ZERO. (Because he got brutally knocked out.)

    All your other rants seem to be about how all the undefeated Champs Canelo beat all sucked ... but apparently those fights all had to be fixed, too, except when he fought Saunders, I guess because even you can't rationalize how they "fixed" a shattered face.

    You were even bashing Golovkin as being a poor next fight for Alvarez. The World Middleweight Champion against the World Super Middleweight Champion. (**** fight, apparently. Where's the fix in that one? I'm sure you'll find one.)

    You even claimed the Bivol fight was fixed going in, then when Bivol won, you tried to say if Bivol won it "wouldn't be fixed."

    You're a troll. That's all.

    You've started your own threads trolling Canelo. Don't troll other peoples' threads. That's the kind of thing that gets people banned.
     
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  8. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Your trashy primary school level analysis here isn't worth me debating. Goodbye
     
  9. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    And also. Where's your proof that the fight is real? What because it was on TV and because everybody says so it is real? That's not proof.

    The only proof whether the fight is real or not is what was seen in the ring. Which as observed was equivalent to a fixed fight tip tappy affair.
     
  10. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Analysis. LOL.

    It was a fix, I tell ya. A FIX.

    That's some great analysis. Go away,
     
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  11. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Where's my "proof" it was a real fight?

    Go away.
     
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  12. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I've discussed this in detail in other threads if you want to be debate it find them. The points you have mentioned are primary school level, they were the first points to be discussed in the thread. You have a basic understanding
     
  13. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You're literally not smart enough to get what I'm saying. And I'm not saying anything complex. That says it all
     
  14. drenlou

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    :lol:
     
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  15. Richmondpete

    Richmondpete Real fighters do road work Full Member

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    Bahahah. Not complex is putting very graciously you lunatic