Cristian Mijares is freakin

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  1. jecxbox

    jecxbox St. Brett Full Member

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    Calderon should retire man. He's done all that he could do in this sport, its just a shame that it took him this long to get a bit of respect.
     
  2. huki

    huki huk huk ^_^;; Full Member

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    I think Cazares would stop him in a rematch. Solis would beat him as well. The crazy thing about Calderon is that he was small for a strawweight and he still managed to outclass all of the top 105 pounders in his prime and beat a very solid B level fighter past his prime. He's barely 5 feet tall and he's still undefeated at 33 years old fighting the top guys.

    Sweet Pea/Brooklyn, where do you guys think Calderon ranks in the history of 105 pounders? It's pretty obvious Lopez would beat him and had a greater career, but if Calderon retired today would he be the second greatest strawweight of all time?
     
  3. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    Well, like you said, Lopez would have beaten him, and obviously ranks number one among the best strawweights in history.

    Fighting for second place are Ivan Calderon, Retanapol Sor Vorapin, and Rosendo Alvarez.
     
  4. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Calderon definitely would lose to Lopez at 105, we can agree on that. Possibly and probably even a stoppage loss as well.

    As far as where he rates at 105 exclusively, I'd have to say he might rank slightly above or below Alvarez. Alvarez fought a bit more above 105, but did fantastic at 105 as well, including giving Lopez the only Draw of his career(though Lopez was a bit past his best). Anyways, at 105, those are the top 3 for sure the way I see it.

    How do you think these guys would fair up a weight class against a Chang or Carbajal?
     
  5. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    :think I've seen much more of Michael Carbajal than I have of Jung Koo Chang.

    I'd take Carbajal over Calderon by stoppage in the middle rounds. Too much firepower for little Ivan to handle at 108. Lopez is a much more interesting matchup to me and a harder one to call. I think Lopez is a more complete boxer defensively and offensively. He could have outboxed Carbajal and taken a close, but clear decision. But I sure as hell wouldn't have counted Carbajal out since Lopez had seen his best days when he made the decision to move up.

    I think Chang would rough up Calderon and take him out of his comfort zone. Calderon picks his punches well, but Chang had a much greater punch output and was unpredictable in his attack. He was very fast and could match Calderon in this department. Overall, I see his swarming attack being more effective than Calderon's slick boxing at this weight and he'd leave no doubts, whether it be a decision win or a mid/late TKO.

    Not sure about Chang/Lopez. Harder fight to call for me. Lopez's technical boxing against Chang's quick swarming style/consistent pressure. Chang has a more distinguished resume at 108 with wins over Zapata and Torres. What are your thoughts on this Sweet Pea?
     
  6. Raging B(_)LL

    Raging B(_)LL KAPOW!!! Full Member

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    If you don`t mind, let me chime in with my two cents...

    I would favour Chang`s swarming, high volume attack to defeat Ricardo`s more textbook boxing style, especially if the fight is scheduled for fifteen rounds. Boxing Lopez was not the way to beat him, pressure is the key and going to the body early on to slow him down. I have almost all of Chang`s fights and at his best he was one of the most effective swarmers I have ever seen bar none.

    I believe he would have gotten inside Lopez` long arms and pounded on those ribs on his way in, and as Lopez started slowing down Chang would shift his focus upstairs more and more. As the fight progresses I see a tiring Lopez doing his best to keep the aggressive Korean at bay but to no avail. Lopez would probably win the early to mid-rounds, but I see Chang staging a late rally to seal what would be a close, but clear win for him.
     
  7. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    I agree with Calderon losing to both. If we're talking about the past his best version of Lopez that fought Alvarez, I think Carbajal may win, Chang as well, but if we're talking a prime Lopez moving up, I'd take him over Carbajal.

    Carbajal had a jood, stiff jab and was a very straight forward, well versed technical boxer. However, he was pretty flat-footed, and didn't have the variety that Lopez did. Lopez's movement(both with his feet and his upper-body, as he was very good at slipping punches) would give him the edge here, as he also had a good jab. I see him outboxing Carbajal, landing the better shots.

    Chang is a tough call even with Lopez. I am almost sure he would beat Calderon because he didn't have anything to keep Chang off, and even though he is very slick, Chang was very fast himself, and I don't think Calderon can keep him off. With Lopez though, he would be running into a fighter who can hurt him, and one who has the movement, jab, and reach to keep him off at times. I think Lopez would've won because he would be more likely to hurt Chang than Chang would be likely to hurt him, and that would be the difference, considering the rest of the bout would be back and forth with Chang's aggression taking some rounds, Lopez's boxing taking others. Very close fight, but I think Lopez has that extra bit to his game, I think he can hurt Chang. Stoppage? Not sure, but I'd favor him.
     
  8. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Do you not think Lopez would be able to hurt Chang with his pin-point punches, or do you just not think he would catch him often enough to effectively keep him off at times?
     
  9. jecxbox

    jecxbox St. Brett Full Member

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    - steve kim, maxboxing.
     
  10. Jason997

    Jason997 Active Member Full Member

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    I wish this guy had a bit more power, but I say he is top 10 PFP RIGHT NOW.
     
  11. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    Wow, that's horrible. Tucker should be investigated, no questions about it. Worst scorecard in boxing history perhaps.
     
  12. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Satan possessed him, obviously. Let's cut him some slack.:yep
     
  13. jecxbox

    jecxbox St. Brett Full Member

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    he is obviously the antichrist and he is trying to take out "cristianity" :lol:
     
  14. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    :rofl

    Possessed or not, Tucker is a disgrace:yep
     
  15. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    I don't think he was the antichrist. It's very clear that Jermain Taylor is just an african american version of Damien, though, Satan forgot to implant Damien's super demonic intellect.

    This joker was simply possessed by the devil, Regan McNeil style, I saw them cleaning up a mess personally...