Criticism of Itauma Is Fascinating

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  1. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    Honestly a shame for Itauma in retrospect. From what I've seen tonight he would beat a current AJ in 2 rounds and probably beats most other heavies fairly early too. Ol' Hrg is just a ****ing machine!
     
  2. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

    Ioakeim Tzortzakis "The David Haye of Loma's Gay" -Edgar Allan Poe Full Member

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    Oh 100%. AJ gets chinned, and I trust Itauma's chin to know he's not getting KO'd just like that if he's not exhausted in case they slug it out. Imagine those body shots hitting Zhang's stomach too.

    But yeah Jesus does Hrgovic have an alien chin. It's gonna be forgotten in time probably, but he really got tagged tons here. He's already gotten hit plenty and it might give out at some point.
     
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  3. peter_uk

    peter_uk Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I was on team Hrgovic, but I'm not inclined to kick a man whilst he is down, and you are right Itauma demonstrated a good chin and incredible heart in that ring. With Itauma though there was a certain feeling that what he was presenting was too good to be true; a 240 lb heavyweight relentlessly throwing sickening power shots with the speed of a lightweight is incredible enough, but if he could do that with the stamina of a lightweight too then he would be a phenom of the likes we have never seen before. As the old adage goes if it seems too good to be true then it probably is, and if Itauma came across someone who could stand up to his power, as Hrgovic did, then what we saw was the logical outcome. Itauma is obviously supremely talented and he will come again, but he needs to go back to the drawing board and reinvent his style somewhat to rely more on boxing as opposed to going in to the ring expecting to bomb out any given opponent.
     
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  4. Oddone

    Oddone Bermane Stiverne's life coach. Full Member

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    Let us know when he's a champion.
     
  5. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

    Ioakeim Tzortzakis "The David Haye of Loma's Gay" -Edgar Allan Poe Full Member

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    Just give him Gassiev and it's done.
     
  6. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    I knew Hrgovic was a freak when he took a totally flush left hook from Adeleye without really reacting, let alone getting knocked out. Adeleye isn't very good but his single shot power is possibly the best in the division. Anyone else would've been sparked on the floor.

    Honestly the problem here was ring iq imo. If Itauma just took off the rounds, boxed negatively and been avoidant he'd have the win. I'd be interested to see how he can come back from this mentally.

    Also he needs to drop Boxercise Ben. Like yesterday.
     
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  7. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    If anything, Moses' stock has gone up for me tonight. He was mauling Hrgovic and winning every round.

    Moses looked levels above and Ferrocious. He lost for whatever reason, and Hrgovic won on chin/resilience/heart.

    We'll see what this does to Itauma mentally, having unloaded everything on Hrgovic and not getting him out of there. Hopefully it does nothing, as Itauma is still growing into his man strength/size/power.

    What he has already is a hell of a lot. He would beat most heavies no problem. He is right there at the top already.
     
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  8. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Loyal Member

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    Lol, the Gassiev that he openly ducked. You haven't learned a thing.

    Look, he would probably beat Murat, but what he needs is to go back to the drawing board and have 5-10 developmental fights.
     
  9. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

    Ioakeim Tzortzakis "The David Haye of Loma's Gay" -Edgar Allan Poe Full Member

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    Oh yeah **** Ben. Only reason he's had any success if because he's got Wylie in his corner to make a gameplan. But if it fails, there's no plan B.

    I think it was a lack of rounds in Itauma more than a lack of ring IQ. Most he's gone is 6 before, and that was when he started. He's fought 10 rounds total this past year, I think. He couldn't pace himself for a 12 rounder because he's never even had to pace himself for a proper 8 rounder, knowing he's gonna finish the fight by the first 5. Similar to Foreman gassing out vs Ali, but even more extreme.

    In this case it honestly might have been better for Itauma to just go mental in the first few rounds, hit Hrgovic with everything he's got, accumulate the damage and stop him that way, either due to damage or Hrgovic simply not being able to respond to such a barrage. Gavilan vs Bratton 3 type ****.
     
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  10. kirk

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    The thing about when a fighter this youngs weakness is his ring iq is interesting because, in theory, he should be able to gain boxing wisdom and seasoning, and with the proper discipline and training, iron out those weaknesses to become a better version of himself.

    But ring iq is weird, sometimes when a fighter shows that degree of poor judgement, it reveals a level of boxing intelligence that cant and wont be fixed.

    Will be interesting to see which way it goes for Moses. Id like to believe that with proper advice, trainers, and just general aptitude he will become a much more complete fighter in the next few years.

    Wladimir suffered a somewhat similar loss to an opponent worse than Filip, and went on to be an ATG. But he had the iq and discipline to make that happen.

    Time will tell.
     
  11. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

    Ioakeim Tzortzakis "The David Haye of Loma's Gay" -Edgar Allan Poe Full Member

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    The Gassiev he ducked in order to fight Hrgovic, you mean. The same Gassiev who lost to Wallin who just got knocked out by an unknown. Literally any other fighter in the top 10 does more for building a HW career than Gassiev.

    Come on, I know you're on your high horse because Hrgovic has the durability of an elephant and Itauma got punked, but you've really gotta stop with this tribalism nonsense of "Lol I was right and you haven't learned ****". All it really shows is that you never wanted to believe in a promising up and comer with a potentially big future ahead of him.
     
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  12. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Loyal Member

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    Nope! The duck came long before the Hrgovic fight was even on the table.
     
  13. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    Itauma from tonight beats Gassiev easily. Murat has absolutely nothing for him. Itauma is far, far faster and his chin and heart has now been proven in a dog fight. His chin isn't really a question now since he's taken lots of shots from Hrgovic who is a decently heavy handed. Gassiev meanwhile was getting out manoeuvred by ****ing Wallin and hasn't looked overly impressive for years and has actually regressed imo.

    Literally the only question is heart now imo. If he comes back from this determined and undeterred then he can definitely come back and beat most of the division. Even though I picked Hrgovic to win this bout has made me a fan of Itauma and I definitely want to see what he does next.

    I definitely agree it's pretty innate for some. However the fix for Itauma is pretty simple imo. He's an insane speed fighter so he should be pretty beastly with a few fixes from a coach who isn't Davison.
     
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  14. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Loyal Member

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    It's not the issue, and if you don't understand that, then you haven't learned a thing. You will be a sucker for the next hype-job who hasn't earned a thing.
     
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  15. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    What? :lol:

    If you've seen my post history you'd know I was one of the few and first calling out Itauma and questioning what he had over a year ago, heart and chin wise, when everyone was hyping him.

    Just accept that Gassiev really isn't that good of a HW. He was always one dimensional and has only gotten worse throughout the years. He's also old and injured and unlikely to do anything of note now. His only saving grace is his single shot power which he can not rely on against current Itauma.
     
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