Criticizing Jones' resume

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  1. KillSomething

    KillSomething Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    In many ways, Roy's manipulation of public perception, television networks, and sanctioning bodies opened the door for Floyd Mayweather and the constant b!tchassness that seems to define professional boxing today. Roy is best known for his light-heavyweight reign, where he faced a who's who of the nobodies and also-rans of the division. His LHW resume is not only terrible, it's also an embarrassment to himself, the sport of boxing, and anybody who buys into it's supposed legitimacy. Roy was never the lineal champion in any weight division, he was never the undisputed champion in any weight division, and his career is a fine example of just how much of a Wild West circus professional boxing was during his era.

    His title reign began when he knocked out Griffin in 1 round. The fight was a rematch of Jones' first try, when he had been comprehensively outboxed by Griffin and was just beginning to turn the tide with his second knockdown when his frustration at not being better than his opponent came out. He hit Griffin twice while he was down, losing by DQ while behind on the cards.

    Then things got weird:

    Jones, vowing to never fight anybody who had a legitimate chance of beating him again, refused to fight his #1 contender Michael Nunn and was stripped by the WBC. Instead, Jones fought Virgil Hill, who had just lost his lineal title and WBA/IBF belts to Michalzcewski. Nunn and Graciano Rocchigiani fought for the vacant WBC title, which Rocchigiani won.

    The WBC decided to give the title BACK to Jones (and was later nearly bankrupted when their decision was declared illegal in court), while the WBA stripped Michalczewski for having the WBO title simultaneously and the IBF stripped him for not making a defense against Willie Guthrie within 30 days of winning the belt from Hill. Jones then 'unified' the WBC and WBA belts by coming up from his first knockdown to beat Lou Del Valle, who had won the vacant WBA belt by beating Eddie Smulders. The next year, Jones won the IBF title by defeating Reggie Johnson (who had beaten Guthrie for the vacant belt).

    Thus, Jones had become 'undisputed' champion by ducking his #1 challenger (Nunn) and stealing all 3 of his belts without fighting their rightful owners (Rocchigianni and Michalczewski). Jones would continue to duck Rocchigianni, cancelling a scheduled fight, along with steadfastly refusing to face the lineal and WBO champion Michalczewski. Thus, Jones was never anything more than the #1 contender for the lineal title at 175, a title he refused to fight for. The RING installed Jones as their champion at 175 without explanation or regard for lineage, and Jones hilariously attempted to get Michalczewski's name banned from being mentioned on HBO. Additionally, Jones never fought Nunn and continually avoided a rematch with a much-improved version of Bernard Hopkins.

    After tiring of knocking out illegitimate challengers and getting busted for steroids at 175, Jones put on a WHOPPING 10lb of lean muscle and challenged the weakest beltholder at heavyweight, John Ruiz. Having won a heavyweight title, Jones refused to defend it or unify against Chris Byrd, Corrie Sanders, Lamon Brewster, or lineal heavyweight champ Lennox Lewis, instead choosing to drain himself back down to 175 and face Antonio Tarver, winning a robbery decision. Jones then rematched Taver in the first non-b!tch move of his career, getting comically KTFO and then repeating his trip to Where-the-f%ck-am-I in his next fight against Glen Johnson. After taking one more shot at Tarver and once again failing, Jones began the travelling circus that gave us such gems as 'Slapped Silly vs. Calzaghe,' 'KO1 vs Green,' and 'Oh My God, Is He Dead? vs. Lebedev.'

    Highlights:

    Denis Lebedev Attempts To Murder Roy Jones:
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    Lou del Valle Makes Roy Jones Look Like Bambi on Ice Skates:
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    Antonio Tarver, Glencoffe Johnson, and Daniel Green Display Various Methods Which May Be Used To Separate Roy Jones From Consciousness:
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    RJJ Expresses His Admiration For The Skills Of RJJ And Has No Idea Bob Fitzsimmons Existed:
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    Links:

    Jose Sulaiman Explains How Sad He Is That He Owes Rocchigiani Money: http://www.***********.com/wbc-asks-rocchigiani-payment-grace--10203

    A Young Ben Thompson Can Barely Conceal His Desire To Give RJJ Oral Pleasure: http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/fw82099.htm

    Ducks:
    Hopkins
    Nunn
    Rocchigianni
    Michalczewski

    Significant Wins:
    James Toney
    Bernard Hopkins

    Opponent breakdowns to follow...
     
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  2. Gerushio

    Gerushio Active Member Full Member

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    When you trolls are done typing a page worth of **** does it ever actually make you feel right?
     
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  3. madpuppy

    madpuppy Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You are a sad sad individual
     
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  4. STB

    STB #noexcuses Full Member

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    Id like to know this too.

    Do they actually derive some happiness from putting all this effort into just being a troll?
     
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  5. gmurphy

    gmurphy Land of the corrupt, home of the robbery! banned Full Member

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    While the general tone of the opening post is one of trolling, he does make lots of legitimate points
     
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  6. Malcolm

    Malcolm Active Member Full Member

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    Your thread is a bitter one but the above is interesting. I've never thought of it like that and yes... there are parallels to Mayweather being treated like the champion when he only fights who he wants and says belts and titles mean nothing... and the people still buy his fights.
    We're through the looking glass here people...
     
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  7. STB

    STB #noexcuses Full Member

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    Its 2015, belts and titles pretty DONT mean anything.

    People are able to ascertain who the best fighters are.

    When Hatton fought Pacquiao, it was for some micky mouse IBO trinket, but it was clearly to see who the best 140lb'er was.

    Carlos Baldomir, while a solid fighter, was once undisputed champ.
    Was he really the "undisputed" best fighter in the division?

    World titles have never meant so little.
     
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  8. MannySteward

    MannySteward Boxing Addict Full Member

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    TS makes some very valid points. I love Jones but such things cannot be denied.
     
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  9. RememberingC.S.

    RememberingC.S. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Roid Jones is vastly overrated, and somehow being skilled makes you entitled to not even fight people because "he woulda schooled him".
    Get in the ring then, and do it.
    He was schooling Quasimodo-lebedev, the man that leads with his deformed face and can't hit anything smaller or more mobile than an heavy bag, until Quasimodo accidentally landed a punch. See his very own raction after that, he's even sorry, "I didn't mean to really hit him, i'm sorry".
    What would have happened against the way more skilled and dangerous opponents he ducked? Probably his pea-sized head would have spinned a little too much for him to stay vertical.

    Also Roid Jones "victory" at heavyweight is simply laughable, a circus act.

    John Ruiz is one of the weakest, most useless titlists there have ever been.
    And even then, if there wasn't the referee constantly breaking them up and not allowing Ruiz to stay close, who knows, an accidental slap could have happened.

    Also funny how Roid put up lean mass effortlessy after being busted. Magic.

    But, hey, he's a boxer, and he's even A RAPPER! This is like, overkill, for his blind fanatics. You can't possibly be more in life, than a boxer, a thugh, and A RAPPER!

    Can't be hurt... unless someone touches your pea sized head.
     
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  10. STB

    STB #noexcuses Full Member

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    Amazing the way the guys he supposedly duck, dont undergo the same scrutiny.

    Who fought better fighters Jones or Michaelczewski?

    Jones has a FAR better resume, yet its Jones that gets **** for "ducking" DM.

    Where are the threads denigrating DM's career for never fighting Jones?

    Becaise Jones is held to a higher standard...why?
    Because he was better and way more accomplished than DM.

    And everyone knows it.

    Want to go through Jones resume and compare it to Roccigiani? Michaelczewski?

    Go right ahead.
     
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  11. gmurphy

    gmurphy Land of the corrupt, home of the robbery! banned Full Member

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    Becuase people want to see the best fight the best, to my knowledge dariusz wanted the fight

    And to try and ban a network from saying a fighters name well sounds duckish that's why jones receives more scrutiny.
     
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  12. RememberingC.S.

    RememberingC.S. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What the hell does this nonsense even mean?
    That if you have a better resume, you are allowed to duck opponents?
    Then people like Wlad, what should he do, retire, because nobody has a better resume than him so he can duck all his mandos?

    How comes that ALL the champions in history have lost to people with inferior resumes?

    No, the real question is: what did you smoke to even attempt such a ridicolous defence? :huh

    "If your opponent has a worse resume than yours, you shouldn't fight him" :admin
     
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  13. STB

    STB #noexcuses Full Member

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    The point is where are the threads about DM "ducking" Jones??

    Theres very little evidence that DM wanted that fight any more than Jones did.

    Where are the threads belittling Eubank who openly said he didnt want to fight Jones??

    You make ridiculous assumptions that all these guys were straining at the leash to get their asses handed to them by Jones!

    The only one who really went out of his way to fight Jones was Collins.
     
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  14. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    If you'd have changed the thread title, and asked genuine question, and made genuine points, then the thread would have been a success.

    But this is clearly a troll thread, and it may be banned.

    So if I were you, I'd do some editing.

    Because not many people are going to comment on it.

    You know I'm one of Roy's biggest fans, but even I can't take this bait.

    :lol:
     
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  15. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :lol:
     
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