Criticizing Jones' resume

I understand your points perfectly.

But HBO must have known that Roy would had to have fought lots of mandatory defences, in between title fights/big fights, especially after he'd unified.

Yes/no?

Also, It wasn't Roy's fault that guys like Byrd, Frazier, and Woods etc were so high up in the rankings.

My thoughts are, HBO were prepared to view the mando's, as long as other big fights also happened.

But as we all know, big fights can be hard to make.

 

Nonsense!

HBO gave him the huge contract.

That's not Roy's fault.

Just look at almost anyone's resume.

They have lots of mandatories and low key fights, and then every now and again, a big one.

HBO must have known that they were going to be screening lots of mandatory defences, especially when he represented three organisations.

Was it Roy's fault that the WBA made Ricky Frazier a mandatory?

Roy wasn't ducking fights.

HBO supported him when he said he couldn't get certain fights.

HBO worked alongside of his advisors to try and make fights with Dariusz and Hopkins.

He didn't take the path of least resistance.

Does a fighter who takes the path of least resistance, start out at JMW, and then go on to fight Toney, Hopkins x2, Hill, Griffin, Reggie, Ruiz, Tarver x3, and Calzaghe etc?

If he'd have taken the path of least resistance, he'd have remained at SMW for the majority of his career, and fought the Reid's, Ottke's (if he'd have left Germany) and Brewer's of the world.

 

Roy didn't fight many great fighters, but he had great wins.

He certainly made good-very good fighters look ordinary.

 

Roy's actually got a good resume.

But it doesn't always appear that way, because of how dominant he was for the majority of his career.

 

He deserves a lot of credit.

But the jokers on here don't seem to think so.

 

Ruiz was a decent HW, with a horrible, ugly style.

But he was effective.

He had three close fights with Evander, (who still had a bit left in the tank) who was robbed years later (IMHO) against Valuev.

He had some decent wins.

Roy was a 34 year LHW, who'd fought 50 times, who beat him with absolute EASE.

Now if you're not going to respect that, then you don't deserve to have an account on here.

Toney gets huge credit on here for beating Jirov.

Eubank gets huge credit for his gallant efforts against Carl Thompson.

But because Roy didn't fight Lennox or a K bro, he gets none.


That's a joke.

 

Great post!

Do you think that Roch was much better than Frankie Liles?


:good

 

No, I think Roch was a solid, but essentially humdrum and forgettable fighter. The notion that this slow-footed high-guarder troubles prime RJJ is comical.

Only the likes of "Serge" and "KillSomething" "bailey" and the repulsive "Rico Spadafora" are so delusional to believe it.

 

Good to see you mate.

Great post!

What was that first Dariusz fight all about?

Roch was a hard man. I watched the Eubank fight last year. It was a good fight. And Rocky's haircut was great.

I did watch it live when I was 14, but I had no idea who Roch was. But I can remember people fearing the worst, because rightly or wrongly, people thought he may be robbed.

Do you agree with Zod?

Do you think Roch was a much better fighter than Frankie Liles?

 

Roy was the most physically gifted fighter I have seen in the last 30 years. Brits talk about Calzaghe's handspeed? Please. Joe was pedestrian in that department compared to a prime Jones.

Sadly his physical skills deserted him sooner rather than later.

 

Inded, it is total nonsense. Lets look at some of Ruiz's wins after the Jones fight:

2003: Hasim Rahman (Rahman KOed ATG Lennox Lewis in 2001)
2004: Fres Oquendo. Ruiz is one of two fighters to knockout Oquendo (the other is David Tua)
2004: Andrw Golota
2008: Jameel Mccline

He also lost close fights to Ruslan Chagaev and Nicolai Valuev. None of those guys dominated -- dominated -- Ruiz like the 190 pound RJJ.

 

Thanks for the reply.

I don't agree that he was better than Liles.

I truly believe that if Roy had've beaten the likes of Roch and Collins etc, he wouldn't have gotten lots of credit, and he wouldn't be any more highly thought of, than what he is today.

 

Great post!

It's nice to read some logical text.

I want to ask you something.

IMHO, if Roy's fight against Ruiz, had been a great, back and forth entertaining fight, I think he'd have gotten a lot more credit.

Would you agree with that?

I think if he'd have been dropped or hurt etc, and it was edge of the seat action, he'd have had heaps of praise.

But because it was easy, or in many people's eyes boring, it was dismissed.

Also, if it was so easy, why didn't other LHW's look to fight him?