Criticizing Jones' resume

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  1. Imperial1

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    LL becuase he held all the other belts
     
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    Of course he did but he preferred not to and defend the WBOgus belt
     
  3. Alien

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    The belts mean nothing. You can't say on the one hand the WBO is bogus and then at the same time the IBF which was basically given to Roy through bogus belt politics meant something. They're all meaningless especially when there is a clear man of the division. At the end of the day DM was the champion. No ifs or buts about it.
     
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    And if the WBO is bogus what were the other belts that were robbed from him and gifted to Roy? Super-bogus?
     
  5. Rumsfeld

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    Please explain how that is any different than what happened to DM at that time?
     
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    WBOgus is a term I haven't heard in a long time - but it was frequently used during the late 90s/early 00s as way of discrediting guys like DM and the Klitschkos. In fairness, the WBO was not held in as high regard as the big 3 at the time - at least in the US. But even so, the WBO gained prominence and is now viewed as 1 of the big 4. It has passed the test of time, and the pioneers of that belt were those who were being discredited at the time via use of the phrase "WBOgus".

    I used to troll people with the term myself, at one time.

    But I'm not sure its valid. At what point in time did the WBO "officially" reach the same point of acceptance celebrated by the other 3?
     
  7. Imperial1

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    Because LL actually fought in court to get his belts back that's why ..DM never cared for the WBA and IBF that's why he stuck to the WBO
     
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    The IBF was given to Roy really :lol:

    That's odd I thought Gurthrie and Reggie Johnson fought for the vacant title ..And Reggie won in his what 2nd defense of it he loses it to Jones but you say it was given to him . Interesting what other interesting insight do you have for us :think
     
  9. Rumsfeld

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    So the distinction you're making - as to why Lennox was the legit champion but not Holyfield, and yet DM was not the legit champion as Roy was - is taking the initiative to take the organization to court?

    :rofl
     
  10. Rumsfeld

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    When did Lennox take the WBA to court, anyway? I'm not saying it didn't happen, but when did he take them to court? After the Grant fight?
     
  11. Imperial1

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    This was before the Grant fight he took sued Don King for trying to make him fight Akwande who was sick with hepatitis


    Just look up Lennox sues in google he had a ton of legal battles contesting defense etc ..The point is DM never contested those strippings ..
     
  12. Alien

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    I meant the WBA or which ever bogus belt it was. But the point still stands. DM was the champion. Nothing you can say or do will change that.

    If Wlad got stripped of a few belts for not fighting some scrub or defending within 30 days notice or whatever bull**** it was and Wilder picks up his vacant titles is Wilder the heavyweight champion of the world? Only in eyes of a moron.
     
  13. Alien

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    Oh well that's that then. Because DM didn't bother to go to the courts Roy was the real champion. What kind of logic is that. You need to get out of your mind that these belts actually mean anything. Especially given the dubious circumstances of the stripping of DM at the time.

    DM was the champion. End of discussion.
     
  14. Imperial1

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    See that whole 30 day **** is a smoke screen Guthrie won his shot in court before DM won his belts ..This was prior to the bout. They knew they had to face him but dropped the belt instead .

    And Wlad,would get stripped as well of he did not meet his mandatory requirements it's goes for most champs unless your Floyd Mayweather who they allow to do what ever he wants with the belts.
     
  15. Alien

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    And if he did get stripped for not fighting some utter scrub and then Wilder picks up the vacant belts who is the HW champion of the world?