Criticizing Jones' resume

The point Rold made was that Roy avoided those types of fighters for most of his career and then lost to them when he fought them. And he thinks he avoided them for so long because of how their styles matched up. In other words, he was scared.

Your points about Calzaghe and Floyd don't hold much water. You're saying Calzaghe should have moved up in weight before he did. I'm saying Jones should have fought the guys who were champs in his own weight class while he was in it. That's totally different. Floyd, I agree with all of it except GGG, who isn't in his weight class. Calzaghe cleaned out a weight division. Floyd is kind of working on it now. Jones never even tried.

Why was a Benn unification impossible?

People did care about the WBO belt, and they DEFINITELY cared that Collins beat Eubank and Benn twice. That was a highly, HIGHLY desirable fight in 1996-1997, and Roy didn't want it because of the BELT?? Virgil Hill clearly cared about it since he fought an unknown DM in Germany for it when he was lineal unified champ...

Dariusz would travel. It's a matter of record. ROY wouldn't travel OR have Dariusz come to him, because he was the real champ and had KO'd literally all of his opponents since unifying the titles. Roy was afraid of him.

Explain how Byrd would bring less $$ than Ruiz, particularly in a unification after Roy beat Ruiz?

Hopkins demanding a 50-50 split is not 'pricing himself out.'

 

Stupid post:

1. I've already said I think Froch has a better resume than Calzaghe at SMW. I've also said that Calzaghe's resume at SMW lacks depth and names, the SAME criticism I level at Roy's career. The difference I pointed out was that Calzaghe was always the B-side unkown champ that the other champs didn't have to fight, whereas Roy had all the power he needed to force unifications. There's no hidden agenda here.

2. Of course he outclassed the people he fought. They weren't even the best in the division (aside from Toney, who may have been seriously drained).

3. I like Rigo, Floyd, Pep, and Ali. Ali fought everybody and he had a seriously ridiculous chin...and everybody loved him. Pep was a genius, and people at the time loved it. Floyd has next-level skills, and he make a ton of money so I don't think he's short on supporters. I don't know any coach or boxer who doesn't respect his abilities. He's often rightly criticized for his opposition, but if he beats Pac and Brook/Khan this year to unify the division I doubt people will be hating on that (aside from waiting til Pac declined, but still). Rigo is the same as Floyd except he doesn't duck nyone, it's the other way around. Remember what I said about Calzaghe being foreign/unknown/high risk? That's the problem Rigo has. The other champs in his division are actively making excuses about why they don't need to fight him, and he's still far and away the #1 boxer in the division.

Try to set up strawmen all you want, the fact is Roy is one of the only boxers I can think of besides Floyd and some of the old-time color-line fighters who could easily fight the best and decided not to. You can still appreciate his talent, but you have to acknowledge that he was a ducker.

 

You just won a trip to the ignore list for persistent stupidity.

Go graduate from high school and then take a few philosophy/logic courses at your local college and you can come back and speak to me and the other intelligent folks :hi:

 

To the applause of the audience, Jones states: “In my time, do not tell me there was a guy close to my weight division that you thought could beat me. Because if you told me that, you just wrote him a scripted nightmare, because it’s a must that I find out. That’s what real boxing was about when I came along.”

http://www.thefightcity.com/jones-jr-on-floyd-mayweather/

 

Remind me how much pre-ktfo/financially broke Roy travelled?