Criticizing Jones' resume

I've missed this thread.

 

Not hating on Jones " Let's all laugh at Roy Jones Embarrsing Career "

If that's not hate I don't know wha is atsch

 

You haven't just stated facts though have you?

Nobody who names a thread title like you have, is open to having an objective debate.

You have been destroyed by all of my links, that show things that you clearly weren't aware of.

But instead of taking all of the information into consideration, and debating like an adult, you have questioned them, and then left the thread for a week.

Not one single person is arguing that Roy didn't miss guys.

Not one single person is arguing that he couldn't have had a better resume.

But you will refuse point blank to allow for any circumstances.

I've told you on numerous occasions that I will gladly have an objective debate with you. Yet you're clearly not interested.

Now be a man, and admit that you were wrong in saying that he chose the path of least resistance.


How are you going to argue against this:

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id...&sa=X&ei=koPBVLWlCoKAU6GsgMAH&ved=0CCQQ6AEwAQ

?


Nobody can argue against that.

 

atsch

 

Why can't you have an objective debate?

As much as I love debating, it's just getting tiresome.


The link that I have posted is perfectly accessible.

But if you seriously can't access it, then just type the following words into google: Evander Holyfield, Roy Jones Jr, Jim Thomas, Greg Fritz. The link is an excerpt from Jim Thomas's book, titled 'The Holyfield Way.' Jim Thomas was Evander's attorney for 13 years, and he made all of his fights.

The book was published in 2005, and Evander publicly endorsed it, which you can see for yourself if you do a little research.

This is what is written in his book:

In late February, with issues regarding Evander's next fight still unsettled, I got a call from Greg Fritz, who was a friend and an adviser to great light heavyweight fighter, Roy Jones Jr. Fritz said he and Jones wanted to come to Atlanta and have dinner with Evander and me to pick our brains on what Jones should do next with his career. I talked to Evander, who readily agreed, and we all met in a private dining room at my favourite Atlanta restaurant, Pricci.

After all the pleasantries, Jones expressed his frustration about not having enough viable opponents who justify big purses. Jones had thoroughly dominated his weight division, and was looking for a challenge. He asked whether Evander had any interest in fighting him. Jones was then fighting at 175 pounds, and has moved up from middleweight to super middleweight. Evander very politely and respectfully told Jones that he would not participate in a bout with anyone of Jones's size because Evander had nothing to gain. If Evander won, people would merely say that he beat a guy who too small to fight as a heavyweight. Evander did tell Jones, however, that if Jones beat another top heavyweight, Evander would fight him.

Now nobody can argue with the above. Jim Thomas is highly respected, and Evander has read the book, and publicly endorsed it. Which means that what Thomas has detailed, is the truth.

Roy went to Atlanta to discuss a potential fight.

So now what have you got to say?

I don't believe that you can't access the link, but seeing as though I've typed out the full context, it no longer matters.

A guy who chose the path of least resistance, would not go to Atlanta to try and negotiate a deal with Evander Holyfield.

Now be a man, and admit that you were wrong.

Nobody can argue against that link.


Regarding his network, HBO, you can't have it both ways. If you're happy to discuss the times when they crucified him, (Ricky Frazier fight) you also have to acknowledge the times when they supported him.

You can't just pick out bits and pieces to suit your agenda.

Larry Merchant and boxing writer Ron Borges, were always Roy's biggest critics.

So when they supported him when he said he'd tried to fight lots of guys, you know that Roy was telling the truth.

Because if they hadn't been shown actual proof, they would never have aired the live interview.

He went to HBO and said "You find me who you think is a suitable opponent, and I'll fight them."

Yet they couldn't find him one at the time.

Kerry Davis who was the VP for HBO, tried to bring Dariusz to the U.S.

Now why would you not believe that, when there's links quoting him?


Explain to me how Roy had the power to make those fights against the guys you've listed?

He couldn't make them fight.

Frankie Liles's trainer - Jack O'Halloran, moved Liles into his house and got the best out of him. Again, he said Frankie had a great fight lined up with Roy, yet blew it. He then called him foolish, and then parted company with him.

So what more do you want?


How did those guys have more to lose than Roy?

Roy had all three of the major LHW belts around his waist during the negotiations to fight Dariusz.


Now come back and debate with me in and adult manner. Because all you're doing at the moment, is blatantly ignoring all of the links, and then just continuing to type the same old nonsense.

You can keep typing it over and over again, but it's not going to make it true.

 

:roflatsch

Loudon you realize this meeting between Jones and Holyfield was right around the time Evander was going to fight Lennox for 20 million right? Why on earth would he fight Jones instead of Lennox? :-(

You just post stuff and don't even consider what was going on at the time.

This is beyond pitiful of you :rofl

 

Seriously??

Just read the link in it's entirety.

atsch

 

Roy Jones is the greatest fighter of his generation, a legend and an ATG.

Why would I or anyone else laugh at his career?

 

I don't have to read the link I went to High School with Holyfields nephews who were in his camp and I know what happened. Holyfield was not going to fight Jones anytime before he fought Lennox. The Lennox fight had been brewing for years and was a huge fight a much bigger fight than Jones ever dreamed of being in. Your 'Link' is meaningless.

 

Please stop embarrassing yourself.

It's cringeworthy reading your responses.


Roy met with Thomas and Evander late February, 1998.

At the time, Evander's next fight was still unsettled.

After they'd had dinner with Roy, Evander fought Vaughn Bean in September, 1998.

He didn't fight Lennox until March, 1999, which was over a YEAR AFTER he'd met with Roy.


Also, a potential fight with Lennox was not the reason why he turned Roy down. Again, read the link. Or get someone to read it for you. He turned Roy down, because he thought he was in a no win situation.


So once again, you've failed miserably.

atsch

 

One. Last. Time. Holyfield wasn't going to fight Roy until he got to Lennox. It would be idiotic to do such. They were trying to make the Lennox fight for 18 months. And unlike Jones and his failed 'negotiations' for big fights Holyfield made it happen. I was at the Bean fight btw. He fought Bean in Sept of 1998 the Lennox in March of 1999. That is a difference of only 6 months which was the typical length between fights. You seriously have no clue what you are talking about and it is sad.

I want you to explain to me how/why Holyfield was supposed to fight Jones before a Lennox fight with that many millions of dollars on the table. The Lennox-Holyfield talks started in March of 1998

It takes time for big fights to happen. Roy wouldn't know that though because he hadn't had one since 1994. :rofl

 

Id bet my money on the mw jones beating every other mw in history