Criticizing Jones' resume

Ok so lets pretend you are right. Then why did Roy and Evander have talks AFTER the Lennox fight when he fought Ruiz since Ruiz 'beat' Holyfield?

And, why after those talks where Roy wanted 'big money' fights did he continue to fight the same type of opponents for nearly 4 years :rofl

Those things don't add up to what you are trying to tell me. Evander had bigger fish to fry and wasn't going to give Jones a go until after he made the big money fights which again is something Roy knew nothing about.

 

Rico Spadafora,

We don't have to pretend that I'm right.

I am right.

Jim Thomas wrote down what Evander said.

Roy and Evander held talks in 2003, because everyone's circumstances had changed at that point.

From Roy's perspective, it would have been a big money fight against a big named fighter.

From Evander's perspective, it was a chance to regain his belt from the worlds best fighter.

Why do you think?

They weren't available.

HBO couldn't make the DM fight in the U.S. and Hopkins priced himself out.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/boxing/stories/2002-07-10-jones-hopkins.htm


So what could Roy do?

He had mandatory obligations from three organisations.

That's nonsense.

So you're saying that if Evander had beaten Lennox at HW and have unified by the time Roy had held talks in 98, that Evander would have fought him?

Evander's reasons were clear.

If you read the link, a big money fight with Lennox was not a stumbling block.

The stumbling block was that Roy was 28 year old LHW.

But in 2003, Roy was a 34 year old HW.

It's one thing to hold an opinion, but you are completely ignoring what Thomas and Evander have said.

 

KillSomething,

Ha!

You and Rico must be related.

The link isn't pointless.

The link PROVES that he didn't chose the path of least resistance.

Since when does a serial ducker, try and fight a legitimate HW champ?

That link has destroyed every post you've made on this thread.

Jackson: Don King offered Roy the fight, but wanted future options.


Gerald: A fight at MW wasn't really viable, and he only fought once at SMW, against Benn.


Benn: Roy offered Benn seven figures, and sent his representatives to the Malinga fight.


Eubank: Never wanted to fight a prime version of Roy, and has admitted as much on numerous occasions. When Roy held the IBF at MW, Eubank held the lightly regarded WBO. He was happy defending against his mandatories on SKY/ITV, against the likes of Close, Amaral, Storey and Schommer etc. During Roy's reign at SMW, Eubank lost twice to Collins, and fought at LHW. During Roy's LHW reign, Eubank lost to Calzaghe, then fought at CW before retiring. Since his retirement, he's said that fighting Roy in his prime would have been suicide.


Collins: Roy dismissed Collins at SMW, when he couldn't unify the three main belts. He instead went up to LHW for a new challenge. If you think he ducked Collins out of fear of losing to him, then ask yourself why did he challenge Evander in 98? Why did he fight Toney, Hopkins, Ruiz, Tarver and Calzaghe etc?


Dariusz: Roy had no intentions of going to Germany, because he had everything to lose and hardly anything to gain. But he was willing to fight him in the U.S. and Kerry Davis of HBO tried his best to make it happen.


Roch: Again, I've read conflicting accounts of why it didn't happen. But if you think that Roy ducked him, why did he offer to fight Frankie Liles? Again, why did he fight Tarver and Calzaghe etc? There's no logic in him ducking Roch, then going on to fight those other guys.


Nunn: Roy dropped the belt and approached Evander for a fight, as per the link. After Evander had turned him down, he had a $6m fight lined up against Douglas. When that fell through, he fought Hill at a catchweight for $3m. The Nunn fight was only going to bring in $1.8m. Once again, look at things logically. If a guy doesn't fight someone, I always look at who they go on to fight afterwards, as that always answers a lot of questions. There's lots of guys on here who think that Roy ducked Nunn. I understand that. But you've been shown evidence of Roy offering to fight Frankie Liles. So again, if Roy feared Nunn, why would he have offered to fight Liles, and why did he end up fighting Reggie Johnson, Eric Harding, Antonio Tarver x3, and Joe Calzaghe? Again, IMHO, it would have been illogical.


Toney: Toney only had one fight at LHW while Roy was there, and that was a loss to Montell Griffin.


Hopkins: Hopkins expected a 50/50 deal, even though Roy had beaten him, and Roy would had to have lost weight to make a catchweight. It was never going to happen.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/boxing/stories/2002-07-10-jones-hopkins.htm


Roy's initial target at HW was Evander. They held talks in 98, and then again in 2001, just prior to Evander and Ruiz's final fight. After they drew, Roy wanted to fight Ruiz to try and win the belt.

After he'd beaten Ruiz, he was approaching 35, and he wanted huge money to remain there. Fights with Sanders and Klitschko brought more risk, for lesser titles, and less money. Roy was offered $10m to fight Sanders, but refused because he'd made over $15m against Ruiz.


Roy was unable to unify at SMW, and he unified against Reggie Johnson at LHW. But it wasn't Roy's fault that Dariusz had been stripped. You can't hold that against him, or the incompetence of the WBC.

I have shown you numerous links, excerpts, and videos, from networks, managers, and attorney's etc, all of which are factual.

Yet here I am, debating with a guy, who doesn't even know why I've posted the Holyfield link.

Now before you reply, I suggest that you read what I've wrote above, both slowly and carefully.

Because sticking your fingers in your ears whilst shouting "I'm not listening to you" like a little 5 year old, by writing ROY WAS A SERIAL DUCKER in block capitals, is not going to override the evidence that I've put forward.


:good

 

Roy winning a title at HW isn't that special, because he fought a paper champion in Ruiz.

 

No Loudon this is NOT true I already provided the links where Roy was offered the EXACT same deal that he had for Ruiz in the EXACT same arena with the EXACT same ring size and Grant Gloves. It was a 10 mil guarantee PLUS PPV upside which is exactly what he got for Ruiz. Stop making excuses and lying on here.

 

Loudan i love roy but most seem to say he picked a few easy fights, was there not better people availilbe to fight when he fought some of those guys?

and also he probably should have fought collins and going by your argument he should have fought roch aswell

 

He never ducked Eubank. Eubank said himself he was not interested in fighting the likes of Jones or Toney. See the smw talk on SKY

The Hopkins fight would have been most likely at a smw catchweight

He did twice at lhw

Following your own logic, Daruiz had no claims to the belts either.

Rochigianni was robbed in the Maske II fight and should of been the rightfull owner of the IBF belt
Daruisz lost the Rochigianni fight. I had him losing by shutout and the German commentators only had him winning one of the first 6 rounds before he disgraced himself and played up the effects of that punch after the ref called break.
The fight should of went to the scorecards like Eubank-Sherry did. Instead Roch was unfairly dqed so Dariusz could keep his belt. By rights the wbo belt was Roch.

 

What's the point in making a separate thread?

atsch


The sad thing is, we could all have had an intelligent, objective debate, if you'd have shown willing.

The other thread is completely pointless. Because you'll just ignore anything that you don't agree with, and then keep repeating yourself.

 

They were both mw champions from early 93 until the time Jones moved up to smw late 94, so how was the fight not viable?

1: Benn was shot by the time of the Danny Perez fight
2: The claim that Benn had representatives at the Malinga fight was a runour, reported on Cyberboxing. If you have a direct quote from Jones confirming it then by all means post it up.

He is on record as giving as much as 6 conflicting accounts for why that fight did not take

1: The fact that he won the court case shgould really tell you all you need to know. The fact that the Judge decalred Jones's time as the wbc champion null and void should really tell you who was telling the truth

Not even close to being true.

He lost the purse bid and then went to HBO to get the funds to try and buy the fight back from the Goossens and when they would not sell. He vacated the belt claiming that Nunn did not deserve a purse. His own adviser Levin said that Jones did not want to vacatre the belt either

You really need to stop twisting the facts.

The lisensce fee for the fight was 3m. If Jones had wanted a bigger purse then he would of made a better bid for the fight. The problem was 25% of the winning bid would of went to the challenger and if you are Jones ONLY paying your opponents 250k then your bid is going to be small. Which explains why the Goosens won with a bid of only 2.4m.

Nunn won the Liles fight and was robbed. Jones himself priced himself out of a fight with Nunn when it was offered to him late 95.

He refused it again when the Goosens tried to put together a lhw unification bout.

He vacated the wbc belt when Nunn was his mando in 97

Had Nunn pushed into a elimnation bout when He became his mando again in 2000

The Reggie Johnson win was nothing special and no case can be made that Reggie was better than Nunn either. If Jones fought Reggie at mw, where the fight was viable then fine, but he did not. Beating a faded version of him means what exactly?

Eric Harding was just a prospect with a 16-0 record going into the Jones fight

Tarver? He took that fight because Tarver had the belts. Jones wanted Griffin to win the Tarver-Griffin fight as well

He did not want the rematch either but was ordered to take it by the wbc

Calzaghe? Jones had nothing to lose at that stage of his career and it was the only way he could get onto HBO

 

That's right.

But he didn't retire, or go to CW, or have some time out before fighting B and C class opposition.

The supposed ducker burnt muscle to drop back to fight a hungry southpaw, to try and reclaim his old belts.

Some ducker.

 

It was a great win, all things considered.

You can't just dismiss the win, on the basis of he didn't beat Lennox.

Toney gets huge props for beating Jirov.