Criticizing Jones' resume

It was pretty funny wasn't it? "Got any excuses tonight Roy?!"

 

Everything you typed, I completely agree with. Roy Jones was a giant hoax and I still can't believe how many people still fall for his circus act

 

I was sick of Roy Jones fighting weak ass competition, and then calling himself HW champion but not unifying or defending.

Interestingly enough, I felt sorry for Jones in the months after the KO, and actually rooted for him in his latter fights.

 

I can see the similarities between him and Floyd. Both clearly amazing boxers, both moved through weight classes, won a lot of titles, beat some top quality fighters and did some cherry picking. Some posters have pointed out some inaccuracies/bias in the opening post. Kind of pathetic to go to the effort of creating such a thread.

 

Your BS is hilarious.

Nobody cares what Dariusz SAID. Kerry Davis of HBO, and Brad Jacobs, tried to make the fight, and Kohl purposely ignored all of there advances. He admitted to not taking HBO's calls. Which is why Davis faxed a proposal over.

You've got to be an absolute idiot to think that Dariusz seriously wanted to fight Roy. His record speaks volumes. He was more than content to carry on defending his lightly regarded title, against B-C class opposition in Germany. See for yourself. The injustice he supposedly suffered, did not motivate him to try and get his old belts back.

The quotes where Roy asked for ridiculous money, were not serious. Which you'd realise if you actually uploaded the entire interview. He was asked what was happening regarding fighting Dariusz. He told the interviewer that despite Dariusz saying he wanted the fight, nothing at all had happened. He was frustrated and fed up of all the talk. So he said "Hell, give me $12m and I'll go to Germany!" He didn't request it at all. Because the truth is, he didn't want to go anywhere near Germany. He said on many occasions that he didn't want to go. He was scarred from the Olympics, and he'd seen Dariusz cheat to get Roch robbed in their first fight. In 2001, he said "I'll be honest, I don't think a knockout would be enough over there.

Why should the best fighter in the world, who had all three major belts around his waist, have had to go to Germany?

There's many conflicting accounts of why Roy didn't fight Roch. Murad Muhammad said that he no showed at the press conference. Kerry Davis said that they'd tried on three occasions to make the fight, but they couldn't get it done. There were also reports that Roch was out of shape and had been drinking heavily. Although Roch's manager claimed that he was fit to fight. HBO said that Telesco was a replacement for Roch. Roy fought Telesco just prior to Roch's court case against the WBC, early in 2000, so you couldn't blame him if he'd got other things on his mind. What the WBC did to Roch, was nothing short of disgusting! They should never ever have given Roy his titles back. But you can't blame Roy for their incompetence.

But let me ask you this, why do you give a f*ck that Roy didn't fight him?

Roy fought better guys than him, and if Roy had've beaten him, would you have given him any credit?

No, you clearly wouldn't have.

 

Roy's Jones best fight was in that Matrix film.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F55hvUEpNE

 

You didn't refute anything you did exactly what I predicted you to do.

You tried to state that Dm was unreasonably stripped yet I clearly pointed out to you that Guthrie won his shot before the unifcation between Hill and Dm took place but what do you do is repeat the same nonsense over and over.

I find it funny you talk about someones comprhension when you cant use the facts there were presented to you ..Maybe u lack a great deal of common sense !

 

You are completely biased.

That's why you don't rate the Ruiz win.

I can school you on these subjects all day, everyday, if you wish?

Now kindly tell me, if you didn't rate the Ruiz win, why would you care that he didn't fight Roch etc?

You have no respect for Ruiz as a HW champ? That's fine by me. But you have to respect the fact, that he was a decent HW, and he was a genuine top 5 guy with a title. You've also got to respect the fact, that Roy was a 34 year old LHW, who had fought 50 times. Roy was outweighed by 30 pounds, and his harshest critics like Ron Borges, tipped Ruiz to win.

You have to respect that it's rare for any LHW in his 30's, to go up and challenge ANY HW. It's easy for you to come on here and discredit the win. But how many other LHW's in 2002, were queuing at Ruiz's door wanting a shot at his title? Tell me. How many LHW's in the last 12 years, have gone up to do what Roy did? I have zero respect for you as a poster, if you don't rate that win.

Why are you talking about Roy's weight for the Ruiz fight? Did we not have this debate on another thread just a few days ago? I gave you a full page of facts and links. What was your response? - "Thanks, good info. I'll try and find another way to detract from him."

Roy was 182 on fight night against Woods. He was 196 against Ruiz. So you are saying that he couldn't gain 14 pounds of total weight within 5 months? Are you also implying that Mackie Shilstone is dirty?

Roy didn't have 8 months to lose the Ruiz weight. He only had a few months. I gave you a link where Mackie told him to stay at HW, because losing muscle can affect your immune system. When Mackie trained Hopkins to beat Tarver three years later, he said he knew Tarver would be flat because of his weight loss from his role in Rocky. Tarver said he felt good in training, but during the fight he had no energy. But because of his famous mocking of Roy three years prior ("You got any excuses tonight Roy?!") he couldn't use the weight loss as an excuse. Which is why IMHO, he said that he may have been poisoned.

Why are you embarrassing yourself, by claiming that a guy like Glen Johnson was a step up for Roy, and that's why he lost?

A pressure fighter like Glen Johnson was tailor to made to beat him?

You're hilarious!

You're blaming Roy for signing to fight Ruiz for $15m, for the WBA, instead of fighting a huge, unknown Kiltschko for the WBO?

Literally all he had to do was to beat DM?

When his promoter wouldn't even take HBO's calls?

And beat Lennox?

You need your own TV show.

 

Pathetic thread...

Full of biased agenda and lack of knowledge.

 

Roy beat good-great fighters with ease, and took on big challenges.

How can you not respect his accomplishments?

He started out at JMW, and beat top ten rated opponents in four weight classes, that lead to him winning a version of the HW title at 34.

That's not your average career is it?

You've been shown links where other guys turned down opportunities to fight him.

He went to HBO in 1996 after receiving criticism for his opponents, and said to them - "Right, you choose a guy for me to fight, and I'll fight them."

Yet they couldn't find anyone.

Frankie Liles turned down his biggest payday, which resulted in his manager leaving him, and saying that he'd been foolish.

You keep mentioning Micheal Nunn.

Nunn was a great fighter, but Roy was only going to get paid $1.8m to fight him.

After he'd beaten Griffin in the rematch, Roy spoke to Evander Holyfield regarding a potential fight.

But Evander wasn't interested, because he felt he was in a no win situation at the time.

The James Douglas fight was then signed for around $6m, until Roy's father pulled him out at the last moment. Roy was under lots of pressure from his family at that point, because when big Roy stepped in, it brought them back together for the first time in 6 years.

When that fight was cancelled, he fought Hill at a catchweight.

So he swerved Nunn for $1.8m, and instead fought Hill for $3m, and a Rolls Royce Corniche.

That's business.

He then unified the division.

Now if you think that Roy was afraid of faded Nunn, (which you've implied) how do you then explain the fact, that he offered to fight Liles, and then he went on to fight Reggie Johnson, Tarver three times, and then Joe Calzaghe?

Your posts are laughable.

Pretending that Roy fought nobodies, and then he lost when he stepped up to fight the likes of Glen Johnson, who had three tough fights with Clinton Woods?




Come back at me with something else.

 

So DM never fought Guthrie but never refused it? That makes zero sense. If he had no reason not to than he would have. Fact is he didnt. The point Loudon is making is youre applying a double standard to slam Roy yet let Michealzweski of the hook.

 

If I had the time, I'd find numerous links and videos, that would shut down everything you've claimed.

But what's the point?

If we were having an objective discussion, I'd take the time to upload them.

But seeing as you're trolling, it's pointless.