Criticizing Jones' resume

Loudon · Jan 9, 2015

PumpDaJab said: ↑

It was pretty funny wasn't it? "Got any excuses tonight Roy?!"
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Yeah, until he felt sh*t against Hopkins after his own weight loss, and had to claim that he may have been poisoned.

Loudon · Jan 9, 2015

The Masked Man said: ↑

Everything you typed, I completely agree with. Roy Jones was a giant hoax and I still can't believe how many people still fall for his circus act
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You agree with everything he typed?

VG_Addict · Jan 9, 2015

How good is Roy's accomplishment of winning a HW title?

Loudon · Jan 9, 2015

IsaL said: ↑

I was sick of Roy Jones fighting weak ass competition, and then calling himself HW champion but not unifying or defending.

Interestingly enough, I felt sorry for Jones in the months after the KO, and actually rooted for him in his latter fights.
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Unifying against who?

Defending against who?

KillSomething · Jan 9, 2015

Loudon said: ↑

Now kindly tell me, if you didn't rate the Ruiz win, why would you care that he didn't fight Roch etc?

Because there was no need to fight Ruiz. Would you care if Manny moved up to SMW and beat Abraham or Anthony Dirrell?

You have no respect for Ruiz as a HW champ? That's fine by me. But you have to respect the fact, that he was a decent HW, and he was a genuine top 5 guy with a title. You've also got to respect the fact, that Roy was a 34 year old LHW, who had fought 50 times. Roy was outweighed by 30 pounds, and his harshest critics like Ron Borges, tipped Ruiz to win.

You have to respect that it's rare for any LHW in his 30's, to go up and challenge ANY HW. It's easy for you to come on here and discredit the win. But how many other LHW's in 2002, were queuing at Ruiz's door wanting a shot at his title? Tell me. How many LHW's in the last 12 years, have gone up to do what a Roy did? I have zero respect for you as a poster, if you don't rate that win.

Considering that the heavyweight titles have been monopolized by the Klitschkos for the last however many years, your 12yr stipulation is stupid since even Jones was afraid of them. Here are some precedents:

Patterson
Maxim
Loughran
Carpentier
Dillon
Langford
Greb
O'Brian
Fitzsimmons
Moorer
Spinks
Foster
Moore
Conn

More than a few of them were lineal and undisputed at both weights. What Jones did was like a cheap knockoff of the accomplishments of other fighters. Sure, a lot of them failed in their attempts. They were going at the lineal heavyweight champ. It's not supposed to be easy, that's why it's a big deal.

Why are you talking about Roy's weight for the Ruiz fight? Did we not have this debate on another thread just a few days ago? I gave you a full page of facts and links. What was your response? - "Thanks, good info. I'll try and find another way to detract from him."

Roy was 182 on fight night against Woods. He was 196 against Ruiz. So you are saying that he couldn't gain 14 pounds of total weight within 5 months? Are you also implying that Mackie Shilstone is dirty?

I'm implying that you can't gain 14lb of lean muscle mass in 5 months. It's been repeatedly proven by scientific studies that 1-2lb per month is the max amount of lean muscle a person can gain. So it follows that losing that weight couldn't have caused Roy to become shot.

Why are you embarrassing yourself, by claiming that a guy like Glen Johnson was a step up for Roy, and that's why he lost?

Because Glen WAS a step up from a lot of the guys Roy had been facing.

You're blaming Roy for signing to fight Ruiz for $15m, for the WBA, instead of fighting a huge, unknown Kiltschko for the WBO?

All I said was that the win would have aged better. I wouldn't expect him to do it. If you're going up to fight a giant fight Lennox. that would equal what other LHW champs had done. They didn't go up and fight the #5 heavyweight and call themselves Heavyweight Champ.

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Look, there's zero doubt that Roy was a good fighter but there's no way anyone can claim he didn't take the easy route every time he was able to.

Loudon · Jan 9, 2015

KillSomething said: ↑

There aren't any inaccuracies, and it took around 15min. :good
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There aren't any in any inaccuracies?

What like saying Roy wouldn't take challenges?

IsaL · Jan 9, 2015

Loudon said: ↑

Unifying against who?

Defending against who?
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Any of the other champions or #1 contenders for starters...

Lucky for him he was KTFO by a 175 pounder instead of a 220+ pounder.

Rico Spadafora · Jan 9, 2015

Loudon said: ↑

Your BS is hilarious.

Nobody cares what Dariusz SAID. Kerry Davis of HBO, and Brad Jacobs, tried to make the fight, and Kohl purposely ignored all of there advances. He admitted to not taking HBO's calls. Which is why Davis faxed a proposal over.

You've got to be an absolute idiot to think that Dariusz seriously wanted to fight Roy. His record speaks volumes. He was more than content to carry on defending his lightly regarded title, against B-C class opposition in Germany. See for yourself. The injustice he supposedly suffered, did not motivate him to try and get his old belts back.

The quotes where Roy asked for ridiculous money, were not serious. Which you'd realise if you actually uploaded the entire interview. He was asked what was happening regarding fighting Dariusz. He told the interviewer that despite Dariusz saying he wanted the fight, nothing at all had happened. He was frustrated and fed up of all the talk. So he said "Hell, give me $12m and I'll go to Germany!" He didn't request it at all. Because the truth is, he didn't want to go anywhere near Germany. He said on many occasions that he didn't want to go. He was scarred from the Olympics, and he'd seen Dariusz cheat to get Roch robbed in their first fight. In 2001, he said "I'll be honest, I don't think a knockout would be enough over there.

Why should the best fighter in the world, who had all three major belts around his waist, have had to go to Germany?

There's many conflicting accounts of why Roy didn't fight Roch. Murad Muhammad said that he no showed at the press conference. Kerry Davis said that they'd tried on three occasions to make the fight, but they couldn't get it done. There were also reports that Roch was out of shape and had been drinking heavily. Although Roch's manager claimed that he was fit to fight. HBO said that Telesco was a replacement for Roch. Roy fought Telesco just prior to Roch's court case against the WBC, early in 2000, so you couldn't blame him if he'd got other things on his mind. What the WBC did to Roch, was nothing short of disgusting! They should never ever have given Roy his titles back. But you can't blame Roy for their incompetence.

But let me ask you this, why do you give a f*ck that Roy didn't fight him?

Roy fought better guys than him, and if Roy had've beaten him, would you have given him any credit?

No, you clearly wouldn't have.
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you have got to be delusional to think Roy wanted to fight anyone. It wasn't just DM he didn't fight it was other Americans also. There is a long detailed history of Roy pricing himself out of fights, making unrealistic demands, etc so fights would get killed and not happen. Kerry Davis also said Jones was trying to offer 90/10 purse splits to opponents which HBO said they couldn't even do. Jones then would fight 'Mandatory' fights against no hopers and showboat and then tell us all how good he was. When he finally did step up he started getting brutally and embarrassingly KOed. That wasn't a coincidence.

Mind Reader · Jan 9, 2015

Loudon said: ↑

There aren't any in any inaccuracies?

What like saying Roy wouldn't take challenges?
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And that the Tarver fight was a robbery, and how Roy vowed to never fight anyone else who had a chance to beat him...

I don't have time for this knucklehead.

jim jim · Jan 9, 2015

VG_Addict said: ↑

How good is Roy's accomplishment of winning a HW title?
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Top drawer

KillSomething · Jan 9, 2015

JAB5239 said: ↑

So DM never fought Guthrie but never refused it? That makes zero sense. If he had no reason not to than he would have. Fact is he didnt. The point Loudon is making is youre applying a double standard to slam Roy yet let Michealzweski of the hook.
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Um, yes it makes tons of sense. He got stripped, Guthrie fought someone else for the title, and then that person fought Jones.

Why would he fight a nobody like Guthrie when he no longer had to?

A lot of you aren't following the source info: The winner of Hill vs DM was pre-mandated to fight Guthrie by a certain date, which ended up being 30 days or so after their fight. It was never going to happen and they used it as an excuse to strip him.

It's not complicated at all.

Arranmcl · Jan 9, 2015

Yeah, Roy's career is smoke and mirrors.

PumpDaJab · Jan 9, 2015

If he could of had a head transplant he'd be in a lot better shape over the longevity of his career. Well, I suppose a chin implant too.

Mind Reader · Jan 9, 2015

Rico Spadafora said: ↑

you have got to be delusional to think Roy wanted to fight anyone. It wasn't just DM he didn't fight it was other Americans also. There is a long detailed history of Roy pricing himself out of fights, making unrealistic demands, etc so fights would get killed and not happen. Kerry Davis also said Jones was trying to offer 90/10 purse splits to opponents which HBO said they couldn't even do. Jones then would fight 'Mandatory' fights against no hopers and showboat and then tell us all how good he was. When he finally did step up he started getting brutally and embarrassingly KOed. That wasn't a coincidence.
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Change the record dude.

You think Tarver and Johnson were a step up? For one, Tarver lost his chance at fighting Roy in 2000 when Harding broke his jaw... Roy would go on to beat Harding.. And I can't count how many fighters Roy beat that holds wins over G. Johnson...

It wasn't a step up, it was a decline in Jones.

bbjc · Jan 9, 2015

Still the most talented fighter i ve seen in the ring. Honestly believe theres a misconception about roys career. In that a lot more people dodged or ducked him rather than the other way about. And for good reason. Roy was better than them all as good as they were

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