Criticizing Jones' resume

Because he was a top fighter in the division. Why fight Piper?

 

You're so biased.


What do you mean there was no need to fight Ruiz?

Look at the fighters that you've listed?

How many of them are from the modern era, and how many started out at JMW?

Although I can certainly appreciate and respect what all of those guys did.

If you think beating Ruiz was so easy, why didn't other LHW's sign to fight him?


Your posts are now just becoming annoying.

Who says Roy gained all lean muscle mass?

He went to Mackie at 192 pounds, with 8.7% body fat. Mackie brought that down to 6%. Do some research. He then rushed the weight off for Tarver, because he couldn't get a mega money fight at HW. Again, Mackie advised him not to do it. He lost muscle mass in a short period of time, at almost 35. It was silly. But hindsight is a wonderful thing, and he had to take responsibility for his actions.


But because Roy didn't fight Lennox, we should just discount the Ruiz win? If you hadn't noticed, there hasn't been just one champ per division for many years. If you're going to start saying that the WBA wasn't a legit belt to win, then we can go through all of the divisions applying that same criteria. But if we did that, nobody would have achieved anything. Now I want to know how you've got the nerve to come on here and discredit Roy's WBA, HW belt, when just yesterday, you were bigging up Joe Calzaghe's resume, who at 35, was made to fight Peter Manfredo, who'd came second on a reality TV show, just to get him some more U.S. exposure. If you're going to apply this logic and criteria, and put Joe's career under the same microscope, then what would be left? If you did that, your posts from yesterday would be left in absolute tatters. So you can either dismiss and belittle just about every modern fighters resume, or you can be objective and give all fighters equal credit.


Glen was not a step up. He just caught Roy at the right time. But he deserves credit for the game plan that he implemented though. Again, Roy fell fast and hard. But Buddy McGirt had already said that he thought Roy was on the slide for Tarver. Now do you seriously think that the Roy of the 90's would have lost to Glen? Since when was Glen a better fighter than Hopkins, Toney, Griffin, Reggie and Ruiz etc?


How did Roy take the easy route?

Tell me.


His progress was stifled by his father in the early 90's.

He then split with his father and signed a deal with HBO.

He had a fractured hand before the Hopkins fight, but wouldn't pull out, because he'd got his first title shot after four years.

After a very good win against Malinga, and a great knockout win over Tate, he moved up to fight Toney who was considered one of the best in the world.

He then had a few mandatories, but other fights were hard to make.

http://youtu.be/4TPjvtASn0c


When other fights didn't get made, he was left with two choices:

1. To remain at SMW without being able to unify.

2. To go up to LHW for a fresh challenge.

Which option did he go with?

Which option did Joe Calzaghe take in 2003, when he was faced with the same dilemma?


He then unified at LHW, but he couldn't fight Dariusz, because neither guy would travel. But HBO tried to make that fight for Roy.

He then had a few mandatories, and went to HW.

When other big money fights didn't materialise at HW after Ruiz, he lost muscle to fight a fired up southpaw.

He then fought him again.

He then fought Johnson.

He then fought Tarver again with no tune up.

He then went on to fight a great fighter in Joe, just weeks from his 40th birthday.

He then fought Hopkins again.

He's now in his mid 40's, trying to win a CW belt.


Yet you're telling me that he always took the easy route?


If you don't mind, I'd appreciate it very much if you just quoted my text and then replied to me in the conventional way. Because at the moment, I'm having to copy and paste all of your text before quoting it, and I'm using an ipad. So it's a pain in the ar$e.


Thanks!


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Roy Jones Jr. wasn't disliked because he beat fan's heros, he was disliked because he avoided the best options.

I'm sure that was the consensus at the time.

 

Horrific thread

 

Who??

 

Let's have the names and all of the details then.

Let's discuss it.

 

Roy took the easy path.

He started out at MW and JMW at 20, and then beat a HW at 34.

 

He wasnt a top fighter? This tells me differently. Oh, and no Piper.
http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings:_1997

 

What about Toney, Hopkins, Hill, Griffin, Reggie, and Ruiz?

Yeah, Glen was a huge step up.

It had nothing to do with Roy's decline, right?

 

The end of his career is embarrassing as well as his commentary otherwise still one of the greats in his prime.

 

lol @DLH being lb for lb ahead of Roy